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Mystic
20 posts
Sep 14, 2014
6:57 AM
Admittedly, I've been diving deep into my fascination with psychic abilities (though I have none) - spirituality, and higher consciousness, sometimes as it relates to MJ (as a fan).

And obviously I've been going back and forth, back and forth on how deeply to believe in a lot of this stuff. I've taken to the belief that if it touches you deep in your heart, then there must be some truth to it that you can take with you. After all, movies, books, tv shows are often fiction but it can change your life.

Truthfully, a lot of it (this dive into research on spiritual higher consciousness) HAS made an impact on me. A big impact.

But recently I started having serious doubts that this is healthy. Mostly because part of me doesn't fully believe. And its kind of like...if its NOT real, then how can it be good to live in a fantasy world?

After all we all "see" what we want to see, in life (I suppose). I guess i don't want to be duped into "finding" evidence to support what I WANT to believe, when its just a fantasy. As obviously I WANT to believe in this - but there's that voice asking 'is it just wishful thinking?'

I have to be honest - I stumbled onto another source that has had communications with MJ, for instance (i won't say who it was because I don't want to cause any trouble lol, in case it might be discouraged). And that info had the same impact on me as Bonnie's communications. In fact, the themes within them were similar, if not exact. But having understood this, I began to doubt. Good writers can come up with beautiful realistic stories that can touch you deeply and make you believe. Its why I said that statement earlier - make believe stories and characters can change your life.

And essentially I asked "what if this is just a form of very believable fiction?" I often wonder why MJ (or any spirit,really) would spend time talking to psychics or even fans and not their family or friends?

PLEASE know that with me being honest here, I mean no disrespect towards Bonnie or any other psychics. But I'm simply trying to learn and understand. My question - essentially, is this: why do you believe (in communications from the otherside, higher consciousness)? Especially without a shadow of doubt? how do you know this is not wishful thinking on your part or anyone's part? Or your brain playing tricks on you (as it often does?)

My other question is...say I believe 100% in communications from the otherside. But if no one else (or not many) believe in it, how do you find purpose in these communications? What good will they do - in the idea of gathering all of this information, if they have no effect on the physical world at all?

Again, I apologize if ANY Of this comes across as disrespectful in anyway. A good portion of me believes in this stuff, otherwise I wouldn't be here. But I'm still just kind of wading my way through understanding.

Last Edited by Mystic on Sep 14, 2014 6:58 AM
sdparanormal
2316 posts
Sep 14, 2014
10:55 AM
Hi Mystic,

For me this is a calling. I do not expect anyone to relate to my experiences. The messages do make a difference for those that choose to listen.

You are right to be skeptical. I am very skeptical. Another gifted person having similar messages can be a sign of validation but it can also be the sign of a copycat. There have been several people who have contacted me and then all of sudden they claim to be in contact and put out very similar messages to mine. This is why I use historical evidence and deep research to validate information. This can be difficult with a public figure but there are always things that they know that are not public knowledge.

No one is sure how this works exactly but mediumship is the only tool that has been tested in a laboratory setting and found to be valid.

This is really a lesson in discernment that everyone must learn by their own experiences.

IMHO,
Bonnie
Irina
1547 posts
Sep 14, 2014
5:12 PM
Hi Mystic,

We are so bombarded by media-generated audio visual information and electronics today that we are often unable to pick up on the subtleties of the spirit world, which uses the Earth's magnetics to communicate with our dimension.

Along with fakes who explore the paranormal phenomenon because it is so rooted in the subjective, there is plenty of evidence about the existence of afterlife and true spirit communication. Most of the time the information which is communicated inter-dimensionally is brought forth as a kind of download.

As one example, if you pay attention to how artists describe their mind set while in the creative process, they often say it is a force outside themselves driving them. As though the finished idea already exists and is being channeled by them. In a sense being recreated and manifesting itself in our dimension.

This is just but one example of evidence of other dimensions communicating with ours.

I suggest you research this further. Incidentally I am a skeptic too.

It is not easy to do but don't forget to try turning off all the switches and going into a quiet place and really feeling into whatever it is you are trying to understand and figure out. Give it some time. See what comes into your minds eye...

Last Edited by Irina on Sep 14, 2014 5:22 PM
Irina
1548 posts
Sep 14, 2014
5:33 PM
I hope you did not let Woody Allen's latest movie influence you.
It does a pretty good hatchet job of mediumship.

I would actually love to hear Woody Allen's feelings on the subject when he crosses over some time in the future.
That should be interesting!

Last Edited by Irina on Sep 14, 2014 5:35 PM
Mystic
21 posts
Sep 14, 2014
9:49 PM
Thanks guys for the responses, once again.

This is all so very difficult, I must admit. I have been doing a lot of research/reading on this but obviously, even with that, there are no simple answers of course. No "true/false" definitive statement.

God knows I want nothing more in this world than to connect in a very real way with my spirit. Or spirituality. Or just get a sense of what is beyond this world (doesn't even have to be mediumship exactly). I must have known in my heart that there is something beyond the physical because I never remembered a time NOT believing in at least something.

But I also know that belief is based on perspective. And perhaps my experiences/perspective lends itself to believing as other people's perspectives leads them to believe that the physical world is all that exists.

But as much as I try to...for instance, meditate, I can't see anything for myself, you know? Sure I get the benefits of meditation, calming the mind, etc. But as far as something completely spiritual? I can't say I've experienced it.

And recently I've experienced some convenient coincidences - answers to questions I just threw out into the universe that have come to me in ways that can be interpreted as, really, just coincidences. But at the time, I wanted to believe it was more. Now I'm not so sure. Or, for instance, this idea of artists channeling something spiritual through their work (as MJ had) - well, many might say that's just talent at work. After all, we have our own creativity too - who's to say that's coming from another source except the person experiencing it?

I'm a writer, for instance, and I'd like to think that my ideas are influenced by something more than just me, but I can't really say that definitively either.

Its great to read about everyone elses experiences, but I too wish to have profound spiritual experiences I guess that shape my understanding. In other words, if I'm being spiritually blocked - its not due to lack of wanting lol

And no i haven't seen woody allen's movie but it sounds interesting!

Oh and thanks for the blog links! I'll check those out.

Last Edited by Mystic on Sep 14, 2014 9:58 PM
Irina
1551 posts
Sep 15, 2014
12:02 AM
sounds like you are a bit fearful of what this may unleash
and, true, for some people it is literally a floodgate that opens up when one starts to trust in the process

on coincidence:
http://www.beliefnet.com/Wellness/2003/10/Coincidences-Clues-From-The-Universe-By-Deepak-Chopra.aspx#

on mediumship vs channeling:
http://www.vibrani.com/Channel.htm
(Very good read. Will help you with your question about how channeling and mediumship's affect the physical world.)

Last Edited by Irina on Sep 15, 2014 9:53 AM
Mystic
22 posts
Sep 15, 2014
12:21 PM
Irina you are amazing with all of these resources. Thank you so much. I'm going through them now.

Thank you as well, Bonnie, for replying to my excessive rants on your board, haha!

I really appreciate it.

My frustration last night has oddly enough, turned into acceptance today. As I have this tendency to overthink/analyze a lot of things - even my spiritual life. I figure that perhaps this is one area of my life that should not need to involve so much thinking. Sometimes its best to trust and see what happens. If it works, great, if it doesn't - move on to the next thing. No harm done, right?

After reading a bit I understand that spirit guides or even just...signs from the spiritual plane can manifest in these coincidences. And I believed it when I observed those coincidences, without a doubt. And the more I believed, the more I saw. But as time went on, I doubted, and therefore stopped seeing.

There's always going to be that voice in the back of my head that says 'maybe you're just imagining things or reading too much into it.' I recognize that and I figure I just gotta be aware and accept it. And think in terms of 'is this a positive thing for me in my life or is it not?' instead of 'is this right or wrong?'

Is that how you guys counteract skepticism?
Irina
1554 posts
Sep 17, 2014
10:01 AM
Hi Mystic,

You don't necessarily want to counteract skepticism. It is good to question things. It pushes you to look beneath the facade or the surface and try and see what is really going on.

Have you listened to The Connection channelings. Bonnie has them out on Amazon. You may want to try. Listen with both the heart and the mind. But it is really about feeling into things more than letting only the mind control you.

There is so much more to what we call life.

Here. I like this quote from this article I stumbled onto yesterday :
"In the process of research, we came to the conclusion that a human was an energy and information system that receives information from outside. This is precisely why a human can manifest paranormal abilities,"

http://english.pravda.ru/society/anomal/21-02-2013/123859-x_files_soviet_defense-0/

Start here:
http://www.sdparanormal.com/bonnie_vents_blog/2014/9/Bonnie-Vent-s-Connection-Channeling-in-the-NOW-140916

Last Edited by Irina on Sep 17, 2014 10:32 AM
Mystic
24 posts
Sep 17, 2014
1:53 PM
I think I used the wrong words here, I definitely think there's value to skepticism but there must be a line, right? In order to connect spiritually?

Its kind of like the line of knowing your limits verses constantly listening to the negative voices in your head causing self-doubt.

I did read the Conversations with the Dead book rather than listen to the channelings. Maybe I'll give it a listen to it too.

But see even there - I can't fully allow myself to believe for some reason. Because, basically I want proof that I can see for myself, which brings me back to my original frustration.

And that's probably a continuous cycle. The reason why I'm not experiencing spiritual things is because I'm not open to it (have too much doubt - or i'm questioning every spiritual experience as just imagination/coincidence).

Last Edited by Mystic on Sep 18, 2014 5:47 AM
Irina
1555 posts
Sep 17, 2014
9:00 PM
Lol. We all experience spiritual occurrences. Just that many are conditioned not to believe that they are more than their physical selves. And they are so preoccupied with the daily grind that they do not recognize those experiences for what they are.

Well, if you ask most artists I suspect they will beg to differ with you about the nature of imagination itself. To my understanding, imagination is in an of itself other-dimensional. We touched on this above but in the context of artists channeling their work.

Since you keep coming back to this discussion it seems a big part of you already feels comfortable with the idea of being spiritually open.
Work on trusting your gut feelings more.
And I recommend listening to the recordings, as it is a whole other experience.

And also you may want to try practicing setting your intention on something with a mind open to receive a magical experience.

Give it some time...
EricGenealogist
1 post
Jul 06, 2015
7:09 AM
I may have an interesting problem for Bonnie Vent, My last name is Brewster, but it once was the Irish Royal Surname "Breheny". Which means "redhaired leader". In doing research of my main family name I have discovered a 1900 year history relating back to the MacFergussons whom Queen Gweniyivar had married King Arthur and was the daughter of King Fergus MacFergusson. I believe that my ancestor was an Great Grandson of King Fergus MacFergusson whom also brought peace to Ireland in a Trikingship some 100years after the reign of King Arthur. I believe that I am the reincarnation of an Loarn Mac Erc and I was really born about 546AD and I became the Tri King of North East Dalriata-Alba Scotland at about 575AD, I would have died about 86 years old. My ancestors are cousins of Queen Elizabeth 1 and related to Queen Elizabeth 2nd. They include William Brewster 3rd whom helped found Plymouth Mass USA. My Ancestors also include 5 Sherriffs of Nottingham whom may have even had to hunt down Robin Hood of Sherwood Forest but actually helped Robin Gamwell Hughs defeat King John.

I am hoping that Bonnie Vent herself can contact me.


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