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SuperCat
7 posts
Jul 08, 2005
11:22 AM
Hello All, I just thought everyone should know what I just read somewhere. I guess apparently people are trying to take "souvenirs" from Thomas Whaley's grave and sell them on Ebay. Even though I don't know the Whaley's, I think that's absolutely disgusting. Just thought I'd express my opinion.

Disgusted,
Cat
sdparanormal
65 posts
Jul 08, 2005
2:15 PM
Hi Cat,

I agree. I think they have also reported things being stolen from the house as well. There certainly seems to be an usually high amount of negativity in their direction. It seems to be escalating over the past several months.

I sure hope they rethink putting a holding cell and gallows in the backyard. It just draws more negativity. I gather they were never used anyway, but we all know the story of the very real gallows somewhere on the property before the house was built. That gallows was used to hang Yankee Jim Robinson.

Thanks,
Bonnie Vent
San Diego Paranormal Research Project
www.sdparanormal.com
sdparanormal
66 posts
Jul 08, 2005
3:20 PM
Hi All,

I went and looked on ebay for the offending item. Here is a link. You will need to cut and paste this into your browser.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19270&item=5596078702&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

I think perhaps this may have been blown out of proportion. The person lives in Arizona and he is selling a spoonful of dirt in a plastic bottle that he collected on one of his many visits to San Diego.

What is your opinion?

Thanks,
Bonnie Vent
San Diego Paranormal Research Project
www.sdparanormal.com
kingsillusions
5 posts
Jul 13, 2005
8:51 AM
Someone has bid on dirt?

Bonnie, would it be possible that something as simple as dirt can be a "Possessed Possession?" Also, I believe the picture of a man looking into the courtroom is that of Mr. Whaley, but the picture show him wearing a hat, and appears to be really tall. So I guess it could be Yankee Jim as well.

Did Mr. Whaley wear a hat?

Matt...
sdparanormal
71 posts
Jul 13, 2005
9:43 AM
Hi Matt,

If you read the e-bay posting he probably got the dirt from El Campo Santo Cemetary. Thomas Whaley is not buried there. No I do not believe that a spoonful of dirt is possessed. It is just another gimmick to make money.

There are reports from other people of photographs of a man wearing a hat. They too thought it was Thomas Whaley. Most sightings of apparitions in general tend to report the spirit floating several inches off the ground. There is a big height difference between Thomas Whaley and Yankee Jim Robinson. Thomas Whaley was 5'2 and Yankee Jim Robinson was 6'4.

I have seen men in the courthouse from the days when it was actually in use and was also the county seat. In those days a lot of men did wear hats. I have also seen men in uniform. I look forward to seeing your pictures.

Thanks,
Bonnie Vent
San Diego Paranormal Research Project
www.sdparanormal.com
katyclementine
2 posts
Jul 13, 2005
1:13 PM
Hi all, just to say that I don't think the Whaleys are buried in el campo santo. I know thats where Yankee Jim and some other guys who were hung are buried, but Im pretty sure that the Whaleys are buried in another cemetary. Is that one full of dirt like el campo? Arent cemetaries usually with a lawn? If there's a lawn where the Whaleys are buried then that guy would have to do a tiny bit of digging I think. thats not like just picking up a handfull of loose dirt. And even if he just got it from his backyard and is lying about it, what hes doing is showing people its okay to dig up graves and sell for money. That's so wrong.

Also want to know if someone actually did dig up a bit of grave dirt or mess with one to sell, could he get followed home by something? If you stole something from the Whaley house do you think they would follow you and make things hard for you?

Last Edited by katyclementine on Jul 13, 2005 1:50 PM
sdparanormal
72 posts
Jul 13, 2005
1:46 PM
Hi Katy,

You are correct that there are no Whaley's buried at El Campo Santo Cemetary. Please do me a favor and remove the cemetary location from your post. We try to keep the location on the "down low" so that people will not be encouraged to visit and cause problems. You are also correct that the location where they are buried is grass. The only dirt would be in the planters that have rose bushes. The person mentions on the ebay post that the dirt was collected close by the house that is why I am thinking El Campo Santo. He is from AZ and would not necessarily know all the facts.

As far as Whaley's following you home if you stole from them, perhaps the first thing to worry about would be one's own conscience. Most of the items in the Whaley House are donated period pieces and never belonged to them. Although they were very upset when most of the property was removed from the house due to a lawsuit back in 2001. That property had been in the house for over 40 years so I think they considered as theirs. Property that was owned by the Whaley's originally did stay with the house. Of course you would also be arrested for stealing County property. Just not a smart thing to do.

Thanks,
Bonnie Vent
San Diego Paranormal Research Project
www.sdparanormal.com

Last Edited by sdparanormal on Jul 13, 2005 1:54 PM
katyclementine
3 posts
Jul 13, 2005
1:53 PM
Dear Bonnie,
Thanks, I took that out, never thought about that. Sorry. What I was wondering about stolen things and them following you home is, and not that I would ever do that, I was wondering about people who do things like grave rob or steal objects. Can a spirit follow a person like that? If a item can be haunted like a house, or possessed, is that a way that something like that could happen?
sdparanormal
73 posts
Jul 13, 2005
2:02 PM
Hi Katy,

I have heard stories about this happening but I have not seen it in my own experience. This does not mean that it cannot happen I just haven't seen it.

A person who used to work for Ghosts and Gravestones reported to me that he saw a woman get out of the bed that is in Jesse Shepard's bedroom at the Villa Montezuma. I am inclined to believe him since he quit working there after the experience. That did not have to do with a theft but simply a spirit tied to an object. She most likely died in the bed and stayed there.

Thanks,
Bonnie Vent
San Diego Paranormal Research Project
www.sdparanormal.com

Last Edited by sdparanormal on Jul 13, 2005 2:03 PM


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