AgentM
16 posts
Dec 31, 2009
8:37 PM
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I really did LOL DLB.
(also Not Michael)
Steph - I think you couldn't be more wrong. I think they will really care. After all, it is HIS reputation and legacy... I bet they want to protect it even if money is the ultimate interest behind that caring. Speaking of careing. Care to find out?
oh and in keeping with our Greek theme. All these "Michaels" should look up Damocles.
Last Edited by on Dec 31, 2009 9:15 PM
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DLB
71 posts
Dec 31, 2009
9:35 PM
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So where's the horse??????????? ;)
I think we all feel like Sisyphus, and fail to realize we are "gifted" with the ability to stop the rock from rolling onto us. If we consider that luck or chance control our fortunes then we are going to see greener grass under the crown. Not realizing how timing and bad choices can leave that crown on a bush.
And yet the same bad choices to follow desires, the same timing, an act that changes the course of the moment to smaller degrees happens to all the small, our stone seems heavier, but it is still ours to push or allow to push us down.
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DLB
72 posts
Dec 31, 2009
10:07 PM
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Have a good night. I know I had to be up for work at 3am and it is still 2 hours from midnight, don't think I will make it. See you next year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess we have to ask Medusa if they are indiscretions, inappropriate conquests, inopportune presentation or just being the wrong person.
Enjoy the Mimosa.
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AgentM
19 posts
Dec 31, 2009
10:11 PM
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Salute DLB - Have a mimosa. I have very much enjoyed this conversation and will be back. I do believe Medusa is an appropriate direction.
It's 1 am here and I must be up early as well. It's been grand and I hope enligtening as well.
Aren't we supposed to sign off
it's all for L.O.V.E and let's not forget light. Or maybe enlighten.
Don't forget beLIEve is more accurate than beLIeVE or did I say to much? damned mimosas will do that.
I hope you make it to the New Year to welcome it. Happy New Year!!
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AgentM
20 posts
Jan 01, 2010
6:54 AM
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Forgive me for being a bit obtuse this morning Steph.
Are you saying you care to find out if the estate is going to care?
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2010 9:43 AM
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DLB
73 posts
Jan 01, 2010
7:51 AM
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Steph,
Twitter has a celebrity verifier. Look it up you won't be laughing. They have a waiting list of requests to verify posters are who they say they are.
Here's a source:
http://mashable.com/2009/06/11/twitter-verified-accounts-2/
Steph I thought you were seriously concerned with this. However, laughing at the efforts of those of us taking this seriously, oh well. Guess I was wrong. However this is serious, whether you feel like laughing or not is up to you. I would suggest though before laughing at someone, go to goggle type in your concern, it will save some time.
AgentM I nodded off at 11 but woke up with fireworks. (I live near a Casino in Henderson NV.)
I had a grand time trying to stay awake. I'll have the Mimosa today. Enlightening for the first day of the beginning of a new decade. You didn't say too much. I think once you have verified for sure, I'm going to need that drink.
Steph, this is not something you just accuse someone of without proving. If this is where I am sad to say it could be, that person/persons need to be unable to cry foul. Because they will, and efforts to prevent future cruel tricks to Michael's fans by whose doing this would be harder in the future.
Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2010 12:01 PM
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DLB
76 posts
Jan 01, 2010
9:24 AM
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I am thinking about the nurse who went to every news channel talking about propofol. Some fans, not all were surprised to see her on the warrant. I was not.
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LizM
3 posts
Jan 01, 2010
3:34 PM
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Dear Cindy, just found your messages - I don't come to Bonnie's site that often. Thank you for your messages, it is great to read something from someone who knew Michael personally. I also feel Bonnie relays what Michael has to say to us wholly and sincerely and I thank her for the messages. They feel real.
Happy New Year to you Bonnie and everyone, thank you for your work.
Love Liz
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DLB
77 posts
Jan 01, 2010
4:58 PM
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Thanks
Good to know the dialogue will continue. ;)
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DLB
93 posts
Jan 04, 2010
12:16 PM
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Thank you I submitted.
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TS
6 posts
Jan 05, 2010
3:49 AM
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dear cindy,
i just found this thread today and i want to say that i'm really glad that finally sombody who knew michael personally is saying something.
i don't understand why someone immediately had to offend you ... in all the blogs about michael people say so much about him not even having been close to him - many of them THINK they know him but they know only his public persona.
i would have loved to know michael personally although it would never have happened because i'm one of the people who only 'discovered' him after his passing.
he must have been a very gentle, compassinate, loving and caring person with a lot of humor :) with a very childlike humor i believe :)
so in fact i do have a question:
when i started researching about him in the internet many times i felt so sad - i could feel his pain going through all that false accuses and humiliations.
did he also have enough happy times in his life?
i guess his humor and his ability to spontaneously laugh out loud and enjoy the moment and of course, above all, his unconditional love helped him to feel happiness, too - but was it 'enough'?
i really really hope so :)
thank you for posting here, i really appreciate that!
ts
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DLB
101 posts
Jan 05, 2010
7:20 AM
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TS Cindy hasn't been here in awhile, I can't answer for her but I can give you a window a glimpse.
Michael Jackson was a man of deep emotions, his sorrow was heart felt, so was his joy. He could stop the moment to experience all it contained. Many of us, we let the depth of most of our lives go by, we have to be reminded of things because we do not stop and capture them.
Maybe because of his life growing up in front of everybody, he was different in this way. He would be the one to stop the moment, did you see that, did you hear me, what did you think?
He was a man who appreciated the effort of another.
He could draw himself out of whatever was on his mind, to pay attention to someone trying to take the pain away. He also knew how to comfort. He enjoyed being there for a need. Not always did he want to have someone be there for him. Like many of us, he was surrounded by so many that had motives he questioned, so he trusted himself, maybe too much.
Since you could feel his pain while researching, give yourself a chance to feel his joys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y0RfDwmk-I&feature=related
I hope This helps until Cindy can give you a real answer. I have read on fan sites that those who met him got a real strong sense of peace. For some it was personal peace. In himself, he had contentment
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TS
7 posts
Jan 05, 2010
8:32 AM
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dear DLB,
thank you so much for your very touching words - that's what i felt watching his interviews and documentaries about him.
i'm very grateful to finally have gotten in touch with him somehow :)
did you know him personally as well?
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DLB
104 posts
Jan 05, 2010
9:20 AM
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Thanks TS,
In a manner of speaking.
The man wasn't a liar, so when he was angry you can tell. I remember the Bill Belamy interview where as the lyrics go by the film you see is Michael throwing a chair. The same when he was happy, it was all over his face, in his actions in the next move that he was continuing, and including the happiness. When he was hurt, you could tell, you can also see in his interviews the struggle, he would not be public with his deepest thoughts on those who were doing this. He didn't speak out until pushed. People accuse him of pulling the race card, but he didn't the police were looking to try him on the Mann act an act used to control the behavior of black men particularity those who were involved with white women. He never spoke publicly outside the range already set by those attacking him. In the public statement he gave before the trial, He speaks as a man who has faith in his innocence, rather then getting into an argument.
Last Edited by on Jan 05, 2010 12:20 PM
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DLB
128 posts
Jan 10, 2010
4:34 PM
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http://www.fbi.gov/publications/innocent.htm
If anyone knows anything there us contact information for Internet crimes.
Dawn
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DLB
132 posts
Jan 11, 2010
9:13 PM
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From Twitter today. ALLJACK5ON
it's unfortunate people pose as us & use fan clubs to create false hope. that's never what we've been about.Michael either. We r about love.
about 1 hour ago from web
Kind of hard for the he's alivers to overcome that.
Last Edited by on Jan 11, 2010 9:19 PM
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Carmen68
38 posts
Jan 16, 2010
12:56 PM
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I find it truly fascinating that this fraud, Cassandra-Whomever- Whatserface, can literally get away with this. I wonder what would happen if someone posed as a friend of Marilyn Monroe's, John F. Kennedy's, Bobby Kennedy's, Princess Diana's, Elvis, etc, claiming that that particular celebrity's death was a fake and that he/she is living some where else for privacy and protection. Several of those names I just listed probably had reason to fear assassination or for their own personal safety, so they could also be given the same "He's alive! She's alive!" rationale.
The dollar amounts alone in terms of Michael's death, along with the expense of tax dollars, the L.A. coroner' participation, etc., would put to rest the "He's alive!" theories for any logical and critically thinking person. Assuming Murray really has hired powerful attorneys, it stands to reason he and his legal team are gearing up for something. Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that even when and if Murray is charged and sentenced for wrongful death or some other charge, Cassandra-Whomever-Whatserface will STILL be going on about how Michael is alive, and he/she will still have devoted followers. Does the word "cult" apply here, too?
I'm truly sorry if what I'm about to say offends anyone, but I'm going to say it: If a person chooses to believe in lies and deceit, or is so desperate for a lie to be the truth that he/she believes in it no matter the evidence and official reports to the contrary, and he/she chooses not to think rationally and clearly - even after 6 months have passed - and he/she chooses to allow himself or herself to remain on an emotional roller coaster ride, then I don't feel sorry for that person one bit. I've lost people in my life and didn't have the 'benefit' of seeing an autopsy, seeing the autopsy report, attending a funeral, etc. I just took the word of family members, friends, etc., that the death was real and that that person was gone.
I get the sense that some people are in such a state of denial that even if official autopsy photos were released and fully acknowledged by the coroner himself, some MJ fans would not accept it. They would insist that the photos are fake.
As someone who lives in cash-strapped California, I find it highly unlikely that big name celebrities can fake their deaths here and count on tax payers to foot the bill while they go live someplace else. I also find it highly unlikely that ANY celebrity would be given such power, clout or special consideration that even the L.A. coroner would set aside what ever legalities and rules of protocol that govern his/her job just so that Mr. or Ms. Celebrity can go into hiding.
A little common sense is in order at this point. Considering how Michael was treated by the Santa Barbara and L.A. County police departments, both of whom seemed to have it in for him, I find it highly unlikely that THEY would consent to doing HIM any favors.
My heart goes out to Katherine Jackson, Janet Jackson, Michael's children, any truly grieving family members, and his fans who acknowledge that he died.
I'm not spending any more time and energy trying to convince people that Michael Jackson is dead. I think the general public accepts it. I know those of us who work in the entertainment industry accept it. I don't need to see a body or be a witness to an autopsy to accept some things. I find it very sad that some people do.
~Carmen~
Last Edited by on Jan 16, 2010 12:58 PM
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DLB
143 posts
Jan 16, 2010
4:46 PM
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If on twitter you can get the family the information to contact the FBI. The FBI will want the damaged complainant for contact.
These people are encouraging the natural course of denial that people go through. These people are disassociating from reality and using these sites to do it. I second Carmen's posts on both threads. This is a mental health issue. Unfortunately the law waits
for harm. I have thought that suing these people could be a solution. Someone who actually, believably can claim these people convinced them that Michael is alive and in contact with them were to sue them for damages.
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DLB
145 posts
Jan 17, 2010
4:48 AM
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If you get to the point where the FBI needs to get involved, When I called them, they said the take the appearance of anything that endangers other's, particularly children very seriously. They understand mot everything is prosecutable, they also know that laymen can not know which is which sometime.
Also, because of the volume of complaints you may not even get an acknowledgement that they received your e-mail, snail mail. That does not mean they are not looking into it
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CindyM50
11 posts
Jan 18, 2010
8:39 PM
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Hello Again All,
I was just wondering,Dawn,how do you know this EnlightenedLady made that request? I was just curious,because I thought those requests weren't readily available.Is it posted on the verification site?
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CindyM50
12 posts
Jan 18, 2010
8:55 PM
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This message is in answer to TS.
Yes,Michael was an amazing,loving,patient,funny,sincere man whom I loved dearly.Whenever I would tell him something,he always wanted exact,total details.
Descriptions like a writer writing a book. Details that would describe light,feelings,reactions,the weather,things like that. I told him about something that happened to me,and he said,"Describe it." I started to,and he said"No,really describe the details.Was it light,dark,windy,any colors you can remember." He loved details. He was so funny too.He kept the older ladies of my apartment complex laughing for hours,from what they told me later. He listened as I spoke,every time. When I would mention anything about music,he would quiz me on what I knew.Correct me when I was way off and laugh.Not laughing at me,but with me.
I could tell him about anything,and never fear he would ridicule me.He was all patient and wise beyond his years. He was so non-judgemental,it just blew me away.
I was so very comfortable with him. I am so blessed to have been one of the few people he actually trusted. His habit was to immediately distrust,but I'd remind him it was me he was talking to and he'd respond,"oh yah,sorry.Habit."
I really hope that helps you TS to understand a little more of the man who few people really knew well.
He knew I loved him,and he never failed to tell me he loved me in response.That made my heart sing every time. He really was all about love,understanding,truth,patience,justice.
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CindyM50
13 posts
Jan 18, 2010
8:58 PM
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Oh DLB,I thought you'd like to know this.But mjj62509,changed his name to mjj2010,then closed his account when tragically,a 15 year old girl,a follower of his,committed suicide.That's a sad detail I hate to pass on,but it's a fact that I would love to see stop happening. Nobody knows if he has created another account or not. If he(r) does,I will be sure and let everyone here know about it if you are interested
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CindyM50
14 posts
Jan 18, 2010
9:14 PM
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Oh,sorry Steph,I only just saw that you mentioned a new site created by that poser mjjwhoeverheisnowandagain.
thank you Steph for that update
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DLB
146 posts
Jan 19, 2010
2:45 PM
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Cindy it was
on the verification site, I was looking at it to see if they did anything about all the people pretending to be celebrities
Small world eh ;) I have been involved with some heavy duty stuff here and connection making has not been my strength lately.
We are waiting to hear if Steph found out enough to forward to the FBI. I forwarded some URL's that were involving children, earlier this month. Before the name change and suicide.
Last Edited by on Jan 21, 2010 3:32 PM
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DLB
157 posts
Jan 30, 2010
7:38 AM
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Got this from the Jacksons twitter page linked through A&E website for their show.
helping verify this acct. Yeah, thx fans u did it. the fake accts r very upsetting to our fans. not good to do. JJ
9:12 PM Jan 28th from web
and
there are a lot of fake Jacksons on here. marlon & I do not have twitter accts. we only tweet from here. MJ kids don't either.
9:00 PM Jan 28th from web
Warnings do go out. However if people are not able to know if the people they talk to are who they say they are then they are vulnerable There are a couple ways to check First Twitter verify, which is overloaded and takes time Second through trusted links careful though A&E site links directly to Twitter account, not all are that direct.
Last Edited by on Jan 30, 2010 7:41 AM
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steph
57 posts
Feb 01, 2010
12:17 PM
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Hello DLB
I am still looking into how to deal with this.
There are now 2 twitter accounts, one myspace account, and one facebook account. Very young peeople writing into them.
Michael would cry over this. He would never want children to be hurt or mentally tormented.
In fact I can feel his sadness, it is overwhelming. I suppose thats alright to say on this site. You will all understand.
Steph
Last Edited by on Feb 01, 2010 12:24 PM
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DLB
158 posts
Feb 03, 2010
2:38 PM
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In his life time he had many people claiming to have written his songs. One Nona Jackson claimed to be his secret wife, author of many of his songs, and kept going to court to get custody of the kids and credit for the songs. She had/has many young people following her. It happened in his lifetime, he didn't want that either. Shortly after the first allegations came out in '93 a man was arrested for telling children he was Michael Jackson and exposing himself to them. Michael was alive then, he didn't want that either. It is very sad that in his lifetime a man who fought so hard to protect children, had to know that because of his name people were un-careful how children were being involved.
It is not right now, however it was not right then either.
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Lizzywils
7 posts
Feb 04, 2010
5:07 AM
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Just found '@comeback777' on Twitter....someone is claiming to be MJ and is thanking 'Cas' for their help. It's just sick and disgusting. Whoever it is must have serious issues if this is how they get their kicks.
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MsChrisC68
50 posts
Feb 04, 2010
5:24 AM
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I was looking at that twitter and Facebook.Isn't it so obvious that English is the second language for this person??The grammatical and spelling errors alone should be a big clue,but I see that people actually believe it! Though I'm wondering if most of those believers also use English as a second language and can't notice the glaring errors.
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Ms.Chris
Check out my poems:
http://www.associatedcontent.com/user/422036/christine_clarke.html
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steph
59 posts
Feb 20, 2010
11:47 PM
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Hi to all lots of love steph
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mj1970
2 posts
Feb 28, 2010
8:07 PM
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Glad to see that Cindym50 came to her senses, and stopped believing that Cassandra person(derek Clontz.com). that Michael Jackson was still alive. I was getting concerned about her and her many blogs on the website, begging Michael to call her, all the way up to Nov 7. Cassandra must be a very cruel person. Thanks for being here for us Bonnie, and for helping Michael. Keep up the good work!
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jmm
133 posts
Mar 02, 2010
3:09 PM
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Cindym50 started the thread to warn us about Cassandra and for us to know that it was a hoax.
JMM
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TS
10 posts
Mar 03, 2010
2:25 PM
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dear CindyM50,
i haven't been here for a while that'S why i'm answering that late.
thank you so much for describing a little bit how michael was - i can imagine a little bit how it must have been to spend time with him :) to me laughing and humor is a very important thing and finding out about michael that even during his hardest times he kept his ability to laugh, i mean really laugh, that comforts me a lot. laughing is a great healing power and keeps us going ...
you are very lucky to have met this wonderful human being!
why did you lose contact with him?
his passing must be so painful for you, i wish you all the strength and comfort that you can get!
you will always have him in your heart :)
take care,
T.S.
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mj1970
10 posts
Mar 18, 2010
5:20 AM
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Hi ChristinaM! I had a partial hysterectomy myself 2 years ago, and i never felt better. However, i am done having children so it is ok. My son is 29, and my daughter is 17. (She is in Disneyworld on her class trip as we speak).So How old are your kids? PS I couldn't help noticing the inquirys to Cindy, it makes me so angry that she would infiltrate the nice people and take advantage of them like she did. Sorry, but i had to vent a little! Have a nice day everyone.
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ChristinaM
42 posts
Mar 18, 2010
6:42 PM
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Hi MJ1970,
Yeah kinda dissapointed and feel a little foolish, but who wouldn't want to talk to someone who could have possibly known him- you never know right! My oldest boy is just about 13 and my other boy is 11. I know what you mean about the feeling better part,it's nice to be pain free.
Have a good one
ChristinaM
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mj1970
11 posts
Mar 19, 2010
4:57 AM
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Hi ChristinaM! Don't feel foolish, sometimes people can be very convincing.My first clue was when she mentioned(on another site) that she hasn't spoken to him from 1988 until 2007, but says she "knows him very well". Its nonsense. And the way that she described his actions were so not him. He would never ask someone he just met to move in with him, on the same night. So see, these are things that was not mentioned here by her., but on other sites. So don't feel bad. And remember, he always had his guards right there with him always, for obvious reasons. Getting back to you, your boys are so close in age! How do you handle it? I was too chicken to do that.
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ChristinaM
43 posts
Mar 19, 2010
6:26 PM
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Hi MJ1970, This is the first (site) I've read of her, didn't know about the other stuff. Anyway my boys are 2yrs apart and 89% of the time they are the best of friends, so it's been pretty easy.
Have a great weekend.
Last Edited by on Mar 19, 2010 6:30 PM
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Marie58
4 posts
Mar 28, 2010
8:03 PM
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It so happens that Cassandra Gretchin-Sims really is a friend of Michael's. She did not post that blog about him being alive. I checked her out. She exists.
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DLB
191 posts
Mar 28, 2010
8:44 PM
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Pranksters used the name of someone who knew Michael. However, to imply that someone who knew him would do this was unfair. The person posting used the connection to claim to be a source for Michael's integrity.
It must be hard to know what to do when someone steals your relationships this way.
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mj1970
13 posts
Mar 29, 2010
7:45 PM
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Hi DLB.. I was just looking at some old posts, and i came upon A remark that you made on your post here on Dec 31'09 about a twitter post by Enlightenedlady asking about celebrity verification. And you said that she had said that she knew Michael Jackson, and you didn't know why she was saying that.Well, Enlightenedlady is Cindym50. Cynthia Mcguire. And then she asked you on Jan 18 about your inquiry, and did not tell you that it was her! I'm sorry everyone, but i cannot believe the way people behave sometimes. She stopped posting here shortly after, for obvious reasons, knowing we were all too smart for her.
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AgentM
30 posts
Mar 30, 2010
4:50 AM
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mj1970 - thanks for sharing that. Cindy is one of many who are doing this I'm sorry to report. I wish I had kept the link to a youtube video of someone showing how people are using a voice box to sound like they are Michael to get people to believe in their hoax. This is going on on both sides of the fence, with people pretending to have known him and telling stories and people actually pretending to be him here in hiding. It's hard not to get sucked into it. Unfortunately calling these people on the carpet only works in their favor as they pull the sympathy card and the fans who want to believe them dig in more. It's hard to let it alone I know. I'm glad you told us here though. I do believe the people we are discussing still read here and know they are known. It's also good for the people who are leaving these games to know there is a place to come where they wont be judged and they can "talk"
His messages were so much bigger than this. Maybe if parents and family would sit down with each other a bit kids wouldn't be so vulnerable to this kind of stuff. I've yet to see the people in this game actually put his messages out there.
I bought some chickens because they are on sale and I can afford more of them. I gave them to the food bank in the hopes that some financially stressed family might enjoy a sit down dinner with out the stress of wondering how they'll afford it this holiday.
I'm going to have to wave my flag a little about this so that it gives others the idea. I know doing something then telling about it cheapens the act - I don't mean it that way. I'm sure people here know he was more about these kinds of acts then what is going on out there even though that also was a part of his life - the one that gave him a lot of pain.
Last Edited by on Mar 30, 2010 5:00 AM
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AgentM
31 posts
Mar 30, 2010
7:12 AM
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Thanks MsChris. It's in keeping with DLB's post. One person at a time, and I find a lot of times that one person is me.
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mj1970
15 posts
Mar 30, 2010
4:56 PM
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You're Welcome, AgentM. And i agree with MsChrisC68. You did do a very nice act of kindness giving to the food bank. Have a great Holiday everyone!
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DLB
195 posts
Mar 31, 2010
2:59 PM
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That was way cool. Encouragement is what I saw, not tooting.
MJ1970 I googled her so I found out a round about way that's who she was. I put the AllJac5ons twits on on purpose. Homestly so many people came across Michael in a day, anybody could say anything, and some have pictures. But I agree with AgentM in that, maybe if we start in the home, dinner with the kids everynight I know it is tough but boy does it have it's rewards, maybe not only will less people be fooled, but also less people would feel the need to fool. There has to be a place that is cold inside that makes the temporary rush this would give seem worth the pursuit. Like an addict, there I go again, the first time they get away with being the dog in the know wow, they never had all eyes on them like that, like they were worth something, and the rest of their lives chasing that high. Sometimes I think, the best way to love such people is to take away their audience. However, it also may feel the less satisfying, there is no gotcha to that. Just saddness for what they don't realize they never had.
See you soon,
Dawn
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