There are many video out on YouTube about this connection. It is very real. If you can remain independent you should be OK. If you are dreaming of superstar status you will have a heavy price to pay. Look at before and after pictures of: Miley, Justin, Britney and so on. You asked about how Michael feels about the music put out in his name. He said it very clearly: "I thought they needed me, but all goes well without me." Fans pay more for tickets to a hologram than they did for him. "The machine" continues to generate millions of dollars while his children's trust funds remain empty. My advice would be to stay away from the machine. I hope you understand and I hope this helps!
You may want to look through all of these to get a good sense of things: https://www.google.com/search?q=miley+cyrus+photos&client=safari&hl=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=TYXWU9KcHuan8gGUv4CgAQ&ved=0CEwQ7Ak&biw=320&bih=529
Be sure to compare the before and after "Music Industry Star status" images.
"I thought they needed me, but all goes well without me."
Wow, I hope he's not sad about this, that would be tragic because its not true. I hope he understands that the only reason fans are buying into this stuff (the new album, holograms, etc) is because they miss him terribly and really this is all they have left to cling to. All of it is no comparison to having the real thing and everyone knows that.
The music industry is in the business of corrupting souls. Literally. You may recall Michael's mention of this and that HE fought them and won that battle.
IMHO you need to give deeper thought to that statement of Michael's you happen to quote.
I hope that you do understand that the posthumous products, such as the new album releases and the hologram, are being put out there by the very machine which swallowed up Michael.
By giving your money to all these products you are not supporting Michael but rather you are feeding the monster - the corporations which are using adulterated versions of his image and creations for profit without Michael's input and blessing.
Hope this helps you feel less conflicted.
~ Irina
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 05, 2014 10:52 AM
I'm well aware of the fact that they are exploiting whatever they can, and exploiting the fans. Its a huge problem, the machine that just keeps on turning.
However, my conflict is more about clarifying that the intent of the fans (despite them, mostly unknowingly feeding into the system) isn't to say 'well, things are going great with out MJ' - and I just hope he's not feeling this is the case because it is far from what fans really think.
I see. But while you attempt to make apologies to Michael on behalf of the ill-informed and mis-guided fans who cannot seem to distinguish the fake Michael from the real Michael, things ARE going great for Sony and the Estate administrators, and all who are carefully obfuscating the truth of his demise and reaping its benefits. How does a poorly executed hologram replace the REAL human being? And how does a concocted, doctored album of music not completed by Michael and with mis-directed packaging make them feel close to their idol? Perhaps the question lies in whether the fans can distinguish the differences between an idol and a human being?
PS What do fans REALLY think while pouring their money down the pockets of the likes of Sony, AEG, the Estate executors, etc? How exactly does that appease Michael who was pushed out of his body and physically separated from his children?
Sorry about the rant. I have been observing all this lunacy play itself out for a long time now and it is quite frustrating to see someone try and make amends for it.
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 05, 2014 2:02 PM
Well thats just it, I think they can separate it. The fan base obviously knew that the hologram was no where near MJ, and when news of the album came out, fans were outraged.Its not that any of these things can come close to REPLACING him, they just can't. No one in the fan base actually thinks that...and this is what I'm trying to get across. The base as a whole may be flawed in what they support (because many DO think that by supporting these projects, they are supporting him), but that doesn't mean that they think things are better without him.
Another complex issue in all of this is...I think a lot of fans care about MJ regaining the favor of public opinion too for the sake of his legacy. Many feel like if the most recent album and holograms take people's minds off of the lies the media spreads (and continues to spread to this day) about MJ, and these projects generate new fans, then maybe its worth it to support these efforts. Its the lesser of two evils so to speak. One is better than the world remembering him for stuff he didn't do.
And this is especially true when fans are hearing different things from different people about what may be in MJ's best wishes (and of course they have opinions for themselves).
Edit: I don't think I'm apologizing on fan's behalf...because I don't think its a true statement. I don't think the fans think that things are great without him, even if it may seem that way. I think the whirlwind of crap going on and the division...its more complex than just taking one side or the other. Whether they support these projects or not, I think many of them really are trying to do what they feel is right from their perspective.
Last Edited by Mystic on Aug 05, 2014 2:06 PM
Yep I agree. I agree with the sentiment in that post that MJ's hands and thoughts are not in any of the decisions being made in regards to any of the stuff going on now. But I also believe fans realize this. I believe they're just doing the best they can given that they also just really miss MJ (and there's grief, pain, high emotions involving that).
Everyone has an opinion (strong ones) about what MJ would want and they're just trying to follow that - hence the needless judgment and battles and division among fans. Whether those opinions are manipulated or not, well thats another issue, but people FEEL that they are right no matter what and hence there's all the arguing.
But I feel that beneath all of that is obviously just a desire to do right by MJ the best way possible, however misguided those actions are. Thats kinda what I'm trying to say. Underneath all that, good intentions are there and thats what I hope MJ knows in the end.
(sidebar: I also noticed that Karen said MJ's kids are taken care of which is good to hear, based on Bonnie's communication with MJ on that issue)
I think since Karen's contact has been mostly with the fan base than that is where her observations are correct. I would not hold Karen to the comment about the kids being taken care of. To the best of my understanding that is a misconception. The notion of Michael's kids beign taken care if very debatable when the estate is being run by entities Michael either expelled from his enterprise or did not trust, and when it is being pursued by the IRS while claiming extraordinary profits since his death, and when Neverland is being sold soon after that, and Michael's kids and Mom have no say in it. Question is what part of Michael's estate will be on the auction block next. The ATV catalog maybe.Don't be surprised and alaramed. All those who are buying into the lies are making it happen.
The grieving fans are at the forefront, showing their grief by buying FAUX Michael products, it is too bad that they are not doing the math and the research as to where it is that their contributions go and that their grief is STRICTLY being used to enrich the corporations and firms feeding off of that grief.
I think that is what Michael meant when he put that message out and I personally do not see how else to rationalize any of it.
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 06, 2014 1:08 PM
I guess I'm trying not to judge fans because of it though. Its difficult. Its hard to break through all the muck unless MJ specifically said something as fact (outside of the fact that many don't believe MJ speaks beyond the grave). You got the JAckson family saying one thing, who many trust because they're MJ's family. The Estate saying one thing, who many trust either because they DON'T trust the Jacksons or because they figure they've done well so far to settle debts and bring in $ for the Estate itself (they also interact with the fans). I don't think anyone trusts Sony but I don't think many have connected the dots, or they just dunno what to think or they're just ignorant (everyone's more focused on AEG I suppose). They're (fans) looking at what is momentarily best for MJ's image and his legacy. And if that is a new album to help people focus on his music (I mean, I'd rather folks debate about if MJ is actually singing on a track than any of the false allegations that were leveled against him)...then they'd rather do that.
I just find it hard to judge them as a whole. But maybe if there was some concrete documentation that proves the money is not getting to MJ's kids? I don't know.
Mystic, Michael's issue was with more than Mottola. You need to do some further digging of your own, concerning Sony, Branca, etc. and where their interests lay and continue to lie. Sony is NOT the good guy here. And they were horrible to Michael since the first allegations. They have been after the catalog since the day they extended their over-reaching contract to Michael back in the early 90's: ?http://www.latimes.com/la-me-jacksontimeline-sony,0,4403685.story#axzz2z6jsaXcD
I don't have the energy to get into this now anymore than I already have. This site is a good place to start. Lynton Guest's book is a good read and gives some beginning insight into Michael's relationship with Sony. Leonard Rowe's book is another book to read for insight on AEG. Do read LaToya's book. Do read Geraldine Hughes's book, if you have not already. Do read Aphrodite Jones's book. Do read transcripts from the 2005 trial and from the AEG trial. Do recall the restructuring of Michael's loans in 2006 and who the key players were and look at the details of that and THINK who the deal would ultimately benefit. And now has come to fruition. Do search for the truth here. It really comes down to checking the authenticity of your sources and connecting the dots.
Google the full version of this article from WSJ: Michael Jackson's Other Battle: Staving Off Financial Disaster
Pay close attention to the subtleties of what was transpiring. Do you note where the pressure was coming from? Do your reserach. Don't forget to examine the Sony/EMI deal and how that came about.
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 10, 2014 9:40 PM
I have read many of those publications/transcripts and was protesting along with MJ during his campaign against sony in 2002. So I understand where you're coming from. I do believe there is/was a lot of players at work against MJ however...mostly I'm just trying to do what I can with the knowledge I know for sure (which isn't much). Turning the entire fanbase against all of MJ's posthumous stuff is not going to happen unless there is more than just subtleties at play, unfortunately. The fans are already divided severely about AEG's involvement...and though I distrust AEG and read all the transcripts from that case, it is extremely extremely hard getting some fans to see what was going on and AEG's role in everything.
So really I'm just trying to figure out how to acknowledge the state of things - the fan base culture, the media, the representation MJ now has in this physical world, and MJ's wishes - and make lemons out of lemonade. Make the most positive step forward as possible in an effort to bring the fans together and honor MJ. And I have quickly discovered that trying to convince fans of the shadiness of AEG (just them! much less sony or the Estate) is a tough hurdle. So it is in this way that I'm at a loss.
But on the same coin, this other element of Bonnie's communications with MJ concerns me as well. Obviously, this is a tangled mess already, and the last thing I wish for MJ is for him to continue to be...I guess 'bothered' is a word for it?...bothered by all of this after his passing. So thats where my initial concern about all of this is coming from (i think the discussion deviated a bit lol). That after all of what we talked about, its not out of a place of fans not missing him or thinking it better that he's not around - even WITH all of this posthumous stuff going on. Its out of a place of perhaps ignorance (in that they dont know), conflictedness, a desire to latch on to anything positive. But it isn't that the fans WANT to be the reason why any of the entities MJ struggled against while he was alive continue to thrive.
I get the sense that this conversation is frustrating you and its not my intention to do that, Irina. I thoroughly appreciate your input.
hi Mystic, I am not so much frustrated by the conversation as by the situation. There is quite a bit of deception at play here and many fans do not realize that since his death they are being mind-controlled more than ever into trying to get a piece of Michael.
For example, the Hologram of Michael shown to the fans has a very specific use if one is to dig deeper into its purpose. If you are aware of the forces behind the music industry, the very same ones mentioned in this thread title, you would know that they are practitioners of a certain kind of magic and work with energies.
The hologram serves as a conjuring or an invocation tool to draw in Michael's spirit (energy body) in order to play on the psyche of the fans on the subconscious level. In doing so they are tapping into the fans' pain over his loss and giving them hope with the appearance of the Hologram in that he is in some form still alive. They are in essence re-creating the energetic bond between the fans and their idol.
The hypnotic effect of this is in reality a form of mind-control.
For those who have hijacked his estate and catalog, it is also all about control, in the form of drawing in his spirit and having him be present without allowing him to speak and be heard. They are exercising control over him and the fans. Obviously he is aware of all the goings on. -- Irina
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 11, 2014 2:09 PM
thank you Bonnie I have been keeping an eye on the developments around the documentary as well not surprised by any of it keeping my fingers crossed that more truth comes to light
bonnie, thanks. Yes I've had my eye on that documentary and look forward to seeing what it has to say.
Irina, yes the situation is frustrating and I do see what you're alluding to. A part of me sees the larger conspiracy and a part of me does admit that it could be just people wanting to latch on to anything MJ because they miss him. But either way it goes, the fans actions that may - in the long rung - be "against" MJ are not intentional.
And perhaps this is the most frustrating thing of all. Because if what you say is true...well, I've had a desire to try to encourage unity among fans because I believe thats what MJ would have wanted, instead of all this fighting. But now that you've put it that way - it may be impossible. Because what can you do in this instance? I already know debating and trying to show another side is a mute effort because I've tried. Everyone is set in their opinions.
So what exactly can you do that would be best for MJ (well, at least his legacy and honoring his wishes) and the fans? Is there really a such thing at this point?
I mean even with that documentary, folks already believe its just an extortion attempt to get the estate to bend to Bass' will - just for that footage of the ebony shoot. So there's no convincing anyone otherwise.And im sure when/if it comes out, it'll be the same deal.
Last Edited by Mystic on Aug 11, 2014 4:15 PM
The questions to ask are: Who is feeding the fans this information concerning Bass's documentary? Where is such blind trust for the estate originating from? And who is turning them against Michael's mother when trying to expose AEG?
What would be best for Michael is justice. And that the world remembers him for who he truly was. As things stand there are forces preventing this from happening.
Why is Bass's documentary such a threat to the estate? They did not take any of the other documentary makers to court. Many of those documentaries were slanderous toward Michael, especially the ones painting him as a desperate, needy drug addict. What got the estate's tongue then? Hmmm
As things stand now, there are many distortions at play, and as such I would not count on the fans coming together any time soon.
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 12, 2014 11:52 PM
Irina I had to ponder on your initial questions and to tell you the truth, I'm not sure. In many of the debates I've engaged in, most people seemed to have come up with their own conclusions based on...the fact that a couple of the jacksons are in cahoots with known characters that have been shady to Michael. Katherine's attempt to settle the AEG case and the family's insistence that MJ was an addict at the time of his death (when the autopsy showed he was not). So the Jacksons aren't exactly doing themselves any favors to get fans to trust them.
Blind trust of the state I feel either comes from the fact that the estate is corresponding with the fans themselves, or just the fact that they HAVE - outwardly - done a good job in promoting MJ in a positive light. I did look up many of the financial change overs in the 2002/2003 period with Branca, for instance, and I do see why fans might trust Branca - thanks to the testimonies that have come out about why he was fired.
But the unfortunate thing is - the fans aren't on the inside. They don't know whats going on behind the scenes. All they can do is draw conclusions from what they see.
I AM very curious about the documentary so I suppose we can only wait and see.
EDIT: Now I must admit, after yesterday with the excitement about the twitter premiere of the "new" video, the Time Square stuff - since those words from MJ that was mentioned above had been on my mind - I definitely see it now. Like, yes, it keeps MJ's image positive but at the same time, its like I'm looking at the twilight zone, a world in which fans are getting so hyped over a video made by other people with MJ's name slapped on it - buzzing about it as if he did it. (especially to me when the video wasn't all that great lol, but maybe thats my bias haha) I mean its just weird. I have to admit that. It's like "MJmania' with the fans - its like we've all silently (including the estate) agreed to pretend like MJ is still alive, and figure out the best possible ways to do so.
Last Edited by Mystic on Aug 14, 2014 6:25 AM
Twilight zone is a good way of describing it all. You hit the nail on the head about the fans' pretending that Michael is alive part. To my understanding this is all very deliberate and is being done in order to sell more product. You may recall in the pre-technology age there was a myth perpetuated about Elvis being alive and multitudes of Elvis sightings, etc. All after Elvis passed. All good for keeping the brand going and selling records and trips to Graceland and wares.
The notion of the hoax, where rumors sprung up immediately after Michael's death and continue to be spread about him still being alive and in hiding, and now most recently the hologram, are to my observations all of the same caliber of selling tactics.
It's all shameless profiteering without respect for the integrity of the artist's work, or the artist himself for that matter. Although Michael's family has been much maligned, much of it being just as deliberate as the hoax rumors about Michael, I would take Jermaine at his word.
I wonder why MJ isn't saying more to try to put a stop to it though. Sorry for being ignorant - I'm not really well versed in the nature of channeling or why MJ may or may not want to speak on it. But if, for instance, the Estate are manipulating fans - why not just come out and say it? I mean there's a difference between not being happy about it and believing that they are deliberately sabotaging his work, you know?
Or for instance, if AEG is partially to blame - now that the verdict has been reached, why nothing on that?
Unless in the scheme of things, that stuff doesn't matter to him anymore now that he's moved on (but I figure if he cared enough to speak on Neverland, then perhaps he'd do the same for these other huge things going on, you know?)
yes I've reviewed those things but it doesn't really say specifics or anything that would convince others that this is something to be looked into. I understand that he's unhappy about it, but like i said - there is a difference between unhappy and thinking something sinister is afoot you know? Everyone was in an uproar about the cascio stuff, which of course was rectified with Xscape (and including the original demos) so fans accepted that album.
Regarding Sony, Thriller 25 - an album MJ worked on - was released by Epic in 2008, which is a subdivision of Sony. So again, based on that, its really hard for fans to completely write of Sony because as far as they are concerned, the feud is over. Its hard to facilitate true action from a group of people through subtleties, that's all. Like with the Neverland message, thats really clear and to the point. There's no question about what MJ envisioned for Neverland. But I wonder why not go even further and say not just that the estate will be after profit (which is obvious) - but that the profit isn't going to the right people (his kids), even now.
Sadly Mystic most people do not believe in what I do. I have been accused of all kinds of things. None of them true. A very tiny handful of people appreciate the risk I am taking in putting these messages out. If it is not what they want to hear they are easily dismissed. Michael made a statement recently about the hologram saying that at least the fake Michael's hair will not catch on fire. People wrote me saying that he must be fine with it as he was kidding around about it. What??? His hair catching on fire was the most painful thing he had ever gone through and he lived with the pain his entire life. He was very sad about being used in this way. People can justify just about anything.
Even the family members are not taken seriously. Joe Jackson was the first to come out publicly and say the will is a fake. He was attacked by the press and the some of the fans. Katherine has tried everything she can to let people know her circumstances. As a result there was a huge scandal about her being missing and or kidnapped by her children. They made it very plain to her to be quiet or they will take the children and her allowance away from her.
Other people have reported the dollars and sense of this yet people cling to what estate attorneys normally do, not what is actually being done in this case. No channeled message will fix this.
I posted Michael's wishes for Neverland and he had no doubt that they would not be honored. He gave them anyway in case the fan base wanted to do something, but also did not want them to be disappointed if it did not happen. Don't forget some of Michael's fans are extremely wealthy and house-hold names.
Thanks Bonnie for the reply. And for baring with me in this discussion lol
Its just extremely frustrating.
I agree it is unlikely that his wishes will be fulfilled...but those that do believe could use it as a guide. As with neverland, what he said made perfect sense and fans could at least try to do something even if it probably wouldn't work. But they could at least try and rally around the common notion that he'd want it to be something that would bring healing to people. You don't have to believe in channeling to understand that MJ would have wanted that. Right? At least fans wouldn't be so divided, in this way we can better support MJ.
When it comes to Jacksons vs. Estate, the fans cant rally around anything because they both truly believe that which ever they support is rightfully supporting MJ (and if you don't support their side you're supporting the enemy). So its the cause for a lot of animosity and fighting. So with these messages, take for instance - your example with the hologram. I personally can see it both ways. If you (who actually talked to him) got the feeling he wasn't kidding whatsoever, I can definitely see that. But I can also see the interpretation of someone who doesn't really feel the context of it like you did taking it as him kidding, as it wouldn't be the first time he kidded around (tongue-in-cheek) about issues that hurt him at one time (for instance he called his bodyguard Martin Bashir while introducing him to Geraldo, because he kinda looked like him, and he laughed about it - Bashir,the very same man who kinda started the chain reaction of the allegations). So in that way I can see fans taking it as a kinda dry dig.
But see thats the kinda thing with a statement like that. Just like a text message it can be taken all sorts of ways and its not a solid, plain "I do not want this. I do not want that. I DO want this. I DO want that."
Fans are also very much aware of how the family, while MJ was alive, often did some very questionable things that were not in MJ's favor. And even after he died, going on TV shows talking at length about how he was such a big drug addict/junkie - laughing about memories regarding 'interventions'(not helpful at all). Not even being on the same page about some of the Sony/Estate moves (Jermaine disapproving the hologram while Jackie loved it, and going so far to say the brothers would love to go on tour with it: http://www.eonline.com/news/309702/move-over-tupac-michael-jackson-hologram-could-absolutely-go-on-tour-with-his-brothers). There are just things where it is understandable that the fans aren't quick to trust to jacksons so I can see both sides. Which is why its so frustrating for me because at the same time, I also know that despite these rough edges I don't think they're the enemy in comparison to these corporations that do not care about MJ or his fans period.
And even Jermaine's latest thing about Xscape. Instead of coming right out and saying something concrete like 'MJ wouldn't want his songs out, it wasn't in his will" - he says MJ wouldn't put "all these hip hop beats to it"...well of course fans are not going to jump on board with that because MJ certainly has used hip hop beats to his music. Or that if he wanted it out, he would have put it out - its not a good statement either because MJ didn't have a choice even if he wanted to because he was murdered and didn't get a chance to do what he wanted with the songs anyway. He very well could have wanted them out in some capacity as its not the first time he's released unfinished demos.
I hope this isn't coming across as offensive to you Bonnie as I appreciate your bravery in getting these messages out there. But I just wanna try to get across the complexity of where the fans are...that it isn't always a matter of people just wanting to stick to their ways, they have legit concerns. If there's anything these messages can get across to try to smooth this confusion, i'm just throwing this stuff out there :)
This is not offensive at all. I do understand how divided the fans are and the media spin has been off the charts. Michael did recently ask me to make a mandala for him. I was in the process of making others and he said he wanted one too. I asked him what it should be based on and he directed me to a picture from Neverland Ranch where he and Lisa Marie are leading a parade of kids. This was a short time before the news came out that Neverland was to be put up for sale. Perhaps he already knew and wanted the fans to have a token of that happier time. I am not sure. This mandala is intended to bring peace and unity. Some of the people that follow my work and are fans of his got one. It has not been introduced into the fan sites as I avoid them. Here is a link: http://www.sdparanormal.com/catalog/item/8902550/10068318.htm Perhaps it will help.
The most clear statements Michael has made regarding his children is that they are trapped in the same control grid that he was in and he is afraid for their safety. This has been the message for quite some time. He was very concerned when they were moved out of the family home. For a while he was really very insistent and then Paris had her suicide attempt. Before that he saw a picture of Prince in the driver seat of a car and thought he was too young to be driving. He does not refer to money, but he is always concerned about safety. Those that are drawn here will get the most accurate information I can provide. It is not easy discerning fact vs fiction. Nothing is ever clear cut. If you are confused then you are starting to become more aware. This is actually a good thing for spiritual growth.
Thanks again for the reply. I do agree about your comment about spiritual growth. That is certainly true.
I guess I just wish that....if they ARE in a control grid, and the kids are still unsafe, why not just name names so someone can do something about it? Right now the people that want to honor and support him can do literally nothing because there is no concrete trail to follow (and because of the confusion/conflict I talked about earlier). A nudge in the right direction could go a long way. Even if a lot of people don't believe in this kind of stuff, those that do believe could get the ball rolling and know where to look. That will lead to more concrete facts (the same kind of things fans did to get to the bottom of the allegations) that fans can rally around and try to do what they can.
But yes i do recognize it probably will never be that easy but is kinda like gah! lol People want to help him and especially the kids. Thats the most frustrating thing. The intentions are good even if they are misled. They've always been.
But if its higher than corporate greed, then not buying the stuff isn't going to do much. Especially when a good portion of the fanbase is not on board. And like I've said before, the only way to get the fanbase on board is to give some solid reasons for them not to buy it. The Jacksons aren't providing that, unfortunately for the reasons I said above. And the whole Sony feud in 2002 is a done deal to a lot of fans because he continued making albums with Sony after saying he was a free agent.
So sure, me personally can stop buying the stuff (and I haven't really bought anything from the estate anyway)...but what does it do to really help MJ or his kids? not much right? Even if the whole posthumous brand stops by some miracle and many of the fans stop buying it, apparently the problem of the control grid will still be in affect because this is bigger than just Sony and AEG apparently
Last Edited by Mystic on Aug 26, 2014 10:11 AM
I agree Irina. This process of distraction and manipulation is all around us. It is starting to be considered normal to: lie, cheat and steal, while truth seekers are persecuted, mocked, and ridiculed.
Yeah Irina I agree. Sometimes all you can do is find your spiritual center and connect with what's important, even if the world is chaos and you can't do much about it.
That's what I'm taking away from this conversation anyway. Again, thank you Irina and Bonnie for engaging in it.
I've actually finally picked up the book "Remember the Time" by those bodyguards, much to my reluctance because I never approved of all these folks just airing MJ's dirty laundry to who ever would listen after he died. But it has been recommended by so many people and something told me to just go ahead and check it out, and I'm in the middle of it now and couldn't put it down. In a lot of ways its sad, not in a...."I take pity" kinda way, but in a way that aches to know how much MJ was a victim of circumstance. And how much he fought and fought to make it work for him. So far they're doing a good job depicting the person he was and how he reasonably coped with all the crap that was going on around him.
But mostly I just wanted to say that, yes in the book it insinuates that a lot of the projects with sony he was working on (Thriller 25) were still contractually obligated and not something he necessarily WANTED to do. So you guys seem to be right about that.
I have not read the book but please do share any more validations you find to the channeled messages. It is important and might help people to listen more closely.
One of my challenges is to convey the emotions I feel from him. The words are important but there is so much more to it. You had a valid point about people not being able to tell what is kidding around and what is profound sadness. All of these small things help people take this more seriously. I did not know anything about Michael when this journey started, being able to feel my way has help me in researching the truth.
Hi Mystic, Same here. I have not picked up the book, as I am generally opposed to the invasion of Michael's privacy it represents. But on the other hand, as Bonnie already stated, there may be validations. which I also would very much like to know about. Please keep us posted. Another question I have is whether this book in any form was endorsed by the estate?
Last Edited by Irina on Aug 28, 2014 11:11 AM
Thanks Irina. Very familiar with the "Team MJ" site too.
I also follow Vindicate MJ who has a more positive spin on John Branca that also make sense, so who knows. There's two sides to every coin.
The same goes for the bodyguards who made this book. Having finished it, to me, they paint MJ in a good light. I think there is merit to the intention of counteracting all these terrible books where people are saying all kinds of lies about MJ with a book that represents MJ as the man he really was. Kinda like 'the floodgates of MJ's privacy is already open, might as well fight it with something positive.' And honestly, I was pleasantly surprised to find that they didn't really reveal anything all that private or sensationalized. The book was framed as "this is how it was like working for Michael JAckson" and not "This is what Michael was like in private." Most private things they didn't even have access too/didn't know about. Where they could have painted him out to be a crazy person like most have, they painted him out to be a fiercely devoted father (which he was), a compassionate nice guy (which he was), and a guy who was taken advantage of constantly (which he was).
HOWEVER at the same time I'm not gonna pretend I know the intentions of these guards, I wouldn't be surprised if they did want to jump the bandwagon just to get attention/money whatever. But their narrative did seem honest and self aware, and aware/sympathetic about the tough situation MJ was in.
I will come back to this thread and share other validations once I have a chance to relisten to the channelling messages.
As for an estate endorsement, I didn't see any official word one way or the other, but given the fans' vehement rejection of it (because of things like 'it was done without the estate's approval' and 'MJ would never use curse words' LOL)...I'm gonna take a guess and say that it wasn't approved. But I could be wrong. There have been quite a few books that have gone out about MJ that I don't think the estate approved though, one way or the other.
Also...I don't know if its silly to wish Mike a happy birthday on here (it probably is lol) - but I'm doing it anyway because why not? lol Hoping that its much much better on the other side for him. The world misses him terribly, but I thank him for all he has given to us while he was alive. (he might like to see this: https://twitter.com/SFWish/status/505393383469092864/photo/1)
Last Edited by Mystic on Aug 29, 2014 9:59 AM
Hi Mystic, If you've read some of the recent posts in other threads, then it is quite obvious that it is NOT silly to wish Michael a happy birthday on here. You can wish him a happy birthday from anywhere in the world . And if it comes from the heart he will hear you. :)
Edited to add: IMHO you were guided to this place for a reason.
Last Edited by Irina on Sep 02, 2014 7:52 PM
