I have been curious about this for a while is the 4th dimension what they call the astral plane where the spirit people go right after they exit here and go through the life review process to go through what they accomplished and didn't accomplish when they were here?
---------- Everything Is Connected With Everything Mike
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That is my understanding, but of course The Connection did state that the labels are for our benefit. From their viewpoint there are no labels or numbers.
A I understand that we can go to Astral awareness.
Words are restrictions, part of the physical restrictions experienced here. The ability to communicate differently is one we have to relinquish the confines of words to appreciate. Very hard to do. Very hard to let go of that control. We think we are trying to understand, we risk limiting the experience.
Yes, words limit the experience...The most beautiful experience/moments are usually hard to describe. Letting go of that control is difficult in our western world. Eastern Philosophy of buddhism is coming close. Here we are addicted to words. If we can just be ... ---------- With L.O.V.E
You are so right. In Western Society the idea of Let it Be just is so hard to get across.
The need to grasp, denies the ability to allow. But to really experience the reality and all the presence, needs to flow through not be heldd. Holding keeps at bay. Releasing and letting be let's in. Dawn
To my understanding the astral consists of different interpenetrating spheres with varied spiritual vibrational levels. Which level you end up on is dependent on your beliefs, actions and experiences in the physical realm on Earth. There are locations, it seems, where there are people who do not want to accept that they have passed and remain in a kind of limbo state or some who need to get resolution to wrongs about or injustices done to them. Generally it appears there are universal laws operating to the extent of "like attracts like" and a karmic "reap what you sow" which can determine where one can end up. It seems that nothing goes unchecked. All has to be accounted for and that determines the progress of the soul. That is the best explanation I could find.
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If that is true then I might be closer to understanding what really goes on after we leave here and I had an experience and experienced something where I was out of my body and it was kind of weird and different and yes I know there is something after and that helps alot Bonnie :) ---------- Mike
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Sounds like you were astral projecting. I tried once on purpose to have an "out of body" experience. My guides told me no. They were afraid if I left my body that I would not come back. They were right. ;-)
Interesting that the subject of astral projection came up. I have read Robert Monroe's "Journeys Out of the Body" and I am currently reading "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" by Stephen Laberge. I found Monroe's exploration fascinating and so picked up the second book, However I am also wondering how safe this truly is? Is there a possibility that you may not come back by your own chosing or by risking the connection to the body being severed by some other force?
I read some of Marilynn Hughs books about her astral travels with Michael last Fall. Has anyone else read her work here? Her web site is outofbodytravel.org. I found astral travel fascinating to read about but would never want to experience it for myself. I have heard it can be very dangerous, you might not come back. Listen to Bonnie.
With love, Jane
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I agree. I too feel it is risky although very interesting. If it happens without induction I think then it is meant to be but doing it purposefully can be very risky. In Monroe's book he described one time vividly where he could not get back into his body and was terrified. That did not deter him though as he kept on experimenting. However my feeling is that it is best to thread carefully and perhaps work on dream recall.
regards Irina
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I love to dream because I feel that I experience this otherworldy place that brings me close to spirits. It is even more fascinating when I dream of beloved departed ones. The other day I dreamed of a departed friend to find out that it was the anniversary of his death that day. I was not thinking about him. It just happened. I feel that my friend was visiting with me on the anniversary of his death or shall I say his ascendence. I often wonder about this astral plane. I like the teaching of not attributing words but words are just frame of reference to make it easy to communicate, I am going to keep on calling it the astral plane for now. I once read that we all have aspects of ourselves left behind in the spirit world. I wonder if this explains the phenomenon of dreaming about people who are alive and awake while we ourselves are asleep and dreaming about them. Does this mean that we are interacting with aspects of themselves in the astral plane? I know there are different kinds of dreams but to me, dreams seem as real as being awake. I did all my healing in my dreams after my beloved passed away. Questions that were unanswered, he came and answered them for me, sometimes through symbols. He even visited me in my dream with his new body that was transluscent and shimmering, in the dream I asked him if I can touch him and he told me yes that I could and I did. He came to say good-bye to me in my dream with his guide in the form of a friend accompanying him and rushing him to leave, telling him that they did not have much time, we were hugging in the dream and did not want to let go. I wrote all of my dreams about him in a journal and my healing work that he helped me with after he departed. My grieving would have been worst if it were not for him visiting me in my dreams. It was just incredible. ---------- With L.O.V.E
To me it sounds like its more of a message in your case and he was letting you know he is fine and not to feel sad or depressed about him and you will probably see him again in the other dimensional realm I also call it. ---------- Mike
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These are videos by Thomas Campbell when he was a guest on "X" Zone Radio. Tom is a nuclear physicist who studies altered states and consciousness. I liked hearing his point of view as a scientist and haven't heard many mainstream scientist openly talk about about astral travel and consciousness. Tom currently is working for NASA.
Bonnie I hope you don't mind me posting more Tom Campbell vids. I am on a roll since Carmen showed me how to embed!! "The Connection" told us to pay attention to science in the media so I began to explore and stumbled across Thomas Campbell.
Thank You so much!!! for posting this. I am always very interested in how scientists perceive the realities of altered states. I definitely have more reading and listening to on my plate now but I feel it is going to be well worth it.
I guess a lot of this depends on certain viewpoints and the angle from which many people view this topic.
Interestingly enough all religions seems to speak to different states of Consciousness. Astral Plane, Heaven/Devachaun, Buddhic Plane etc.
One of the few things that seems to unite all these religions is the acknowledgement that there seem to be other states of Being besides the physical.
If we think of ourselves as Consciousness that chose (that free will thingie) to express itself in a physical form (hope it's okay to think out loud), then our consciousness in the physical is located here.
Due to the constant talk of raising consciousness (I believe Michael is pretty big on that himself..."Higher Consciousness always", like in this letter he wrote to fans. http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs310.ash2/59076_483239534072_547104072_6706246_4603657_n.jpg http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/features/2009/07/michael-jackson-photo200907), many have said despite being located here and now we can all momentarily raise consciousness- meditation for example attempts just that, yoga etc. Guess the ways to raise consciousness are many.
It seems that one of the easiest way to achieve that for us down here in the physical is definitely while we are a sleeping, dreaming. We seem to be in the same realm that those that crossed over are. Meeting up in dream state sounds like one way of Astral Travel. How many of us dream of our beloved crossed over ones? Seems to be the easiest way to reach most of us, next to synchronicity.
Some tried to reason (such as Theosophy) that just as we have bodies in the physical, we might have other "bodies", that we use to navigate the Astral for example- an Astral Body. A mental body for the Mental Plane- just how often is somebody referring to our Soul- another body, Higher Mind, Ego and Higher Self are often described as bodies.
I personally found a few books to be a treasure trove of helpful suggestions to think things over in that regard.
I found Annie Besant's "The Ancient Wisdom" the best intro, since Ms Besant simply attempted to collect what is being called the Ancient Wisdom, a sort of Universal Wisdom that existed, before all religions took it over. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1934935085/ref=oss_product
I personally find Ms Besant's book to be a pleasure that I return to often. It was given to me as an introduction and I swallowed it whole, armed with highlighter on my work copy that I had- writing down what fascinated me the most.
Another wonderful book is "The Astral Plane- It's Scenery, Inhabitants and Phenomena" by C. W. Leadbeater. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1599869489/ref=oss_product
One just has to be slightly aware of language and society and the time when these books were written, they are definitely not written by today's New Age authors.
Another wonderful book is Allan Kardec's "The Spirits' Book". Mr. Kardec's book was one of the first in it's time to find some kind of order and universal approach in these things. I found it absolutely fascinating to read, although again one notices certain emphasize on certain phenomena that seemed to be of particular fascination in it's time. Mr. Kardec most definitely wrote in front of a Christian viewpoint (just thought I'll mention it for those who would like to know that upfront), however it's written with Love and was absolutely groundbreaking in it's day.
The only thing about ordering Kardec's book- make sure that you order the new translation of 2007- I've read some of it's book in the original translation from it's original French- and honest to God I do not recommend anyone punishing themselves unduly with the original translation.
I bought the following one and it was a pleasure to read and most fascinating to me. ISBN 978-85-98161-18-1 is the book I bought in a new translation from 2007- and I bought through Amazon. (one of the reviews on the site states that these books are only available through the Theosophical Society- which was not the case, I bought mine right off Amazon)
Hope some book recommendations are okay.
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I forgot to address your point concerning Michael and raising consciousness. I very much agree with you and it is evident throughout his work ( mainly much of his lyrics, poetry, books, speeches and charity work). All one has to do is listen intently and actually hear and process what is being said.
And just the fact that he is still here trying to nudge everyone is evidence of that as well.
To borrow a quote from your post above: "..It seems that one of the easiest ways to achieve that for us down here in the physical is definitely while we are a sleeping, dreaming... How many of us dream of our beloved crossed over ones?..." And yes this is I feel is true as well. I have spent time with my grand-mothers in dream state only to wake up and vividly recall the dream which I feel is often very much a message when that occurs.
But what about the living? I have encountered people who are living in my dreams as well.
It appears that those higher realm fragments of the souls of the living meet up in the Astral during sleep. There are sometimes behavior and actions manifested that are opposing from that of the actions of the person while seen in waking state.
And they as well often seem to be messages or a playing out of scenarios which may never be possible in life. Or are sometimes a preview of the future as often those dream images come into being as events at some later point in your life. They can be very symbolic or very literal. This I find just as fascinating as meeting those that have passed. Perhaps even more so.
Just want to share that I was very excited to get a free download of C.W. Leadbeater's "The Astral Plane- It's Scenery, Inhabitants and Phenomena" from the ITunes store and am already reading it. Thanks so much for the suggestion.
Regards, :)
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