I am carrying over the MANIPULATION and SYMBOLISM discussion forward to here, from the "New Michael Jackson Album to be Released" thread, as this is a whole topic onto itself.
Bear with me. My thoughts are forming as I write this.
Firstly I would like to state that it is now clearly understood and is corroborated through the channeled messages here that Michael was trying to bring our attention to this issue not just since his passing but in life as well.
Judging from his full body of work it was very evident that he was strongly trying to draw attention to the DARK aspects of the music industry and the general environment surrounding us.
As such he did also inject messages into his work about who he was as a man and as a spiritual being and what he felt his role and mission were in the grand scheme of the life he lived.
Please observe the different messages within the two examples of the Radio Version of the Smooth Criminal Video shown below. Please note that Michael is portrayed as a kind of Hero figure and is triumphant over the Gangsters (DARK ENTITIES) in his original version of the video. (There is additional symbolism within the longer version which I will get to at a later point.)
Before:
The above is based on the long version of the original Smooth Criminal video.
Please watch the new version below:
Firstly, there is the fact that cutting up and remixing the original video and using a stand in for entirely new scenes desecrated Michael’s work.
Secondly, nearly all of the original symbolism and meaning Michael injected into the video has been dissected and dismantled; and new, entirely different symbolism and message are being presented.
Please note the dominant POLICE STATE theme. Also note the references to WITCHCRAFT through the use of the BLACK CAT symbolism.
In addition there is a new underlying message. In this version there is a stand-in used to show that they hound and bring Michael down like an actual criminal. This plays into the Police State symbolism. However to my senses it also plays, on a more subtle scale, into a meaning of submission and control with regards to Michael in death.
So to return back to the subject of MANIPULATION brought up in the other thread- Under normal circumstances an artist's work is considered intellectual property and should not be altered without the consent of the artist. In Michael's case it is apparent that these rules are ignored.
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BIG THANK for posting this. Sorrily I cannot watch them by now, but try to find a possibility to do it. I want to give a hint to a link you sent me. Maybe it is possible to post the link. I listened to a remix of Smooth Criminal on last.fm- this was possible - I was shocked.
1. listen to that remix - it´s one desecration and disparagement and ruining of Michael´s music. How can the estate allow this? Oh yeah, they put out a message for the other artista and probably to the world who might have the power. The people dancing and laughing to this remix, not understanding the real message between the lines. So they try to make Michael ridiculous.
2. again. the hidden message between the lines in combination with mainstream music; please listen to the chosen phrases they are constantly repeating ( manipulation, brain-wash, mind-control). I can only say that my stomach was turning upside down while listening. Here is my translation: we killed him and now we are going on with our plans concerning this (excuse me please Bonnie and all for this harsh word) "nigger" and the others too.It is a warning to the others to speak out the truth. And a message who seems to have the power. They have not!! In this song it is even included that they pretended Michael and the world that they were interested in his well-being.We all know they were not and Michael too. We can only imagine how his friends might be threatened to stop them speaking out.
It is incredible and amazing what happened today regarding the threads mentioned on the board. And also regarding all the posts of the past days.
I want to thank all of you and Bonnie, I thank you again providing us this wonderful and unique possibility to come and focus together, to go ahead on our path with the same goal.
here is the link: http://www.last.fm/music/Michael+Jackson/Smooth+Criminal. When on the site you see above the album "Michael Jackson" "King Of Pop" - beside it: Michael Jackson Smooth Criminal ....... . Click on his name, another site appears. There right hand you see videos. Click on the video "Smooth Criminal" with his photograph. This is the Novatek RMX 2010 version.
Wow, I never saw this second version. Who did this and when? this is very disturbing. In the first version, it is a totally artistic creation of beautiful dancing and the dark side when eliminated they just vanished...the second version is very dark with killing, police hunting down the person Michael's impersonator, I do not think it is him. The choreography is all blurry, kind of sinister. One of the police had his foot on a child. This is definitely not Michael's creation. I wonder who has done. Wow, I believe somebody is out to destroy Michael's legacy big time...I believe there is something very sinister in the making to corrupt Michael's artistic work/legacy. I am very disturbed. ---------- With L.O.V.E
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Hi everyone, I have just reconstructed my post above as I accidentally deleted the latter part of it earlier when I was trying to add more details.
You are VERY WELCOME Ute!
Anne,
If you take a look in the top post you will see that I am expressing the same thought. Yes. I feel that there are entities who are out to erase and corrupt the messages in Michael's work/ legacy as they do see them as well.
Michael's messages and symbolism expose the industry and the power behind it and it appears that they are very aware of this, as it is known that symbolism is extensively utilized by them as a whole.
As fantastical as it seems it is that very same theme we know so well, and that which is played out continuously and persists in life, as it is VERY CLEARLY PRESENTED in SMOOTH CRIMINAL - that being the BATTLE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
There are also other layers of meaning which I will get to soon.
Best Regards to all Irina
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Thank you so much for the videos and your analysis about the manipulation surrounding Michael, his family, and his work. Very insightful....knowledge is power and we can stand together with love and overcome the dark shadow that is hovering over Michael.
This is too important not to address. I wonder if his family is aware of this. I believe that his work needs to be protected from this kind of manipulation. This really needs to be addressed. Thank you all for your explanation. I can not believe what I am witnessing. ---------- With L.O.V.E, Anne
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Well, we can pretty much guess that 50 years from now most of Michael's work will be tampered with. He will not go down history as one of the greatest entertainers,artists, musician. His music will be replaced by the mediocre ones that Sonny is going to publish. It will be just like Napoleon Bonaparte did when he invaded Egypt cutting off the nose of the sphinx and other pharaoh's monuments, erasing the black presence in Egypt. Michael Jackson will have the same faith. I can only shake my head, those of us who have noticed his affintiy for Egypt...his soul while alive knew that he was sharing the same faith. Our soul is all knowing. His beautiful music will be erased and his masterpiece videos will be erased, replaced by garbbage. The next generation one hundred years from now will not know him for the musical giant that he was, his legacy will be burried. This is all very sad to witness. I am glad I have bought all of his work, I think I am going to duplicate them and put the original in a time capsule. I think we should all do something like that to preserve his legacy. I hope his family fight for him. ---------- With L.O.V.E, Anne
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I agree with you on a great deal. But there is ONE issue I want to focus on differently. It is about to save Michael´s legacy as you already mentioned.
Michael Jackson will go down history as one of the greatest entertainers, artists and musicians and maybe more, because we all can save his legacy as you suggested! What a wonderful thought!
Today I was able to watch a part of the changed messages in his work.
Irina and I will save Michael´s work, his messages and use of symbolism too. So, whatever they try to wipe out or to desecrate of his legacy, they will simply not succeed, because there are more of us than they are. And this circle will grow.
And we connect us with the power of Love and Truth.
Hello Ute and All Dear Friends, Then we should really get on to work and start saving his work. Myself I am making lo'ts of copies and will save the originals including a modern CD and DVD player that I will save with his work. I made a notebook of most of his lyrics. I will continue to collect those lyrics and duplicate and save with his work. I will have one set of copy to be open in 15 years, another in 25 years and another in 50 years pearhaps another in 100 years. I just do not know yet who to trust with this. I have a will,I will include it in my will. I just need to think how to strategize this and who to trust with it. I am thinking that his family is probably doing something similar but the more of us who engage in preserving his work, the better the chance of salvaging it. I am thinking along the line of contacting the NAACP for guidance. There is so much they can really do to his work he is already endoctrinated in so many major halls of fame, but you never know. I am thinking in the line of a major disaster if it were to occur which will give them the excuse of erasing his legacy. Anyway, I just want to do my part in preserving his work. It is funny how people are not paying attention and because they are not paying attention, a lot maybe allowed to happen even changing history as it has happened before. If we take precaution as fans and take advantage of the technology in terms of preserving his work, we will be ensuring his legacy. I am putting a lot of hope on his children to insure his legacy, since they are young now, we as fans can start preserving it for them. The more copies and saving that we make the more guaranteed is that legacy. let's get busy. I have all his DVD's and all the concerts that were released. I have refrained from buying the trashy books. I wanted to get Aphrodite book to save with his work but that book skyrocheted to close to $200 on Amazon. I did not like that. They should make it affordable for the fans. I am waiting for the price to come down and will buy it. I heard it is the best book written about his trial. ---------- With L.O.V.E, Anne
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A, I know exactly what you mean...I've also been waiting for the book to be found and i keep geting the (we have used one's for sale at only 2-3 hundred dollars each) yeah right...I'll wait:) Thanks Bonnie for letting us know about the updated version coming out, maybe I'll have better luck with that one. C
Hi Bonnie and Christina Thank you Bonnie for the info. I will wait and will keep on checking.
Christina, when I find any new info on the updated version of the book I will let all our friends know on this site. It is good that we waited. ---------- With L.O.V.E, Anne
just seen your message, thank you Bonnie, I'm gonna try to pre-order right now or find out when I can :):):):):)
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Something tells me the price is not going to drop. I do hope I am wrong.
If I am not wrong you can try the local library (my town library does have it)and with a bit of effort run off copies of the book for your self.
You should of course give the new roll out of the book a chance in the case that it truly does come out at a reasonable price, before trying the library.
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i can't watch it - it says "not available in your country" ... is this the same version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbJk_x4Ie5g ? if yes, it's an edit of scenes of "moonwalker"
Yes. You are correct. It is an edit of Moonwalker. However the Positive message of the original is entirely different. I have posted some of the Moonwalker clips here. The message in the new Radio edit distorts what is intended here.
To my understanding it is symbolic of submission and control and the destruction of what Michael stood for.
You may want to take a look at some of my latter posts within the Music Industry Exposed thread as well.
It is not at all pretty what is happening not just with Michael's estate but also with his musical legacy. It is my understanding that all is being tampered with to show who is in charge now.
Hope this helps.
Regards Irina
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they do it to destroy Michael´s message and mission.
Michael´s message was to bring LOVE and PEACE and so HARMONY to this planet to be saved and healed and so all of us. Inside of his message you can find many more messages and details.
If people love each other, learn to live together again in peace and harmony, all the hatred, wars, prejudice, ignorance, neglection and racism and segregation will just STOP!!
This is not wished by certain groups of people that Michael called ´the system´. Follow the money and you´ll find them. There are still others behind them. So the system cannot earn money e.g.or get others where they want to have them. Moreover when people awake they loose fear.And free and independent people don´t go with their plan. This is also not wanted.
Michael used symbolism to get his message out. Michael used it for GOOD to awake and warn people. And because he saw their goals and wanted people to set themselves free from this system too. He had to deal with it all of his life and was threatened by them. They let him live as long as they could earn billions of dollars with him. Now they decided to get Michael´s money without him. This is so disgusting and coldly- blooded.
The system uses symbolism themselves for their selfish goals of greed, hatred and power. They use it together with mainstream music to subliminally brainwash people´s minds and to gain more and more mind control. This happens with those who are not aware of it and weak in their psychie. And to many of those who give access to this - mostly unconsciously. The system abuses Hollywood for their goals. To make it short artists get involved in it or their career is done. There is much more behind it. I recommend you to listen to the video posts in "Music industry exposed" This does not mean that the artists are bad people! NO!!! They abuse them like slaves. And Michael wanted them to set themselves free too.
So these people know exactly what they do taking out nearly all of the symbolism Michael used in his work. So taking this out of the films or if still there - change the scenes or put together different lines with certain parts of the music or lyrics or pictures as Michael did it to underline his message - here contains a totally different message, NOT!! Michael´s!
They want to save their power. But their days are over. There is already so much Love and Light in and around this globe. No more chance for them!! This is GOD´S earth and he/she will not leave it to them!
And there are so many people who save Michael´s whole body of work.
I have already mentioned this earlier in the Music Industry Exposed thread but feel this is a good place to expand the idea.
I am posting this performance as it relates very much to what we are discussing here concerning Michael. This particular video was brought to my attention yesterday by Ute. To use Ute's words: "A very interesting and the most amazing performance of `Dangerous` I have ever watched."
This is a very intense performance and it carries a strong message. Also it is a continuation of the theme and message presented in the original Smooth Criminal song and video, parts of which are embedded in this performance.
There are several versions of this performance from Michael. However this one appears to be that much more intense.
Watch. Watch all of his movements. It is all very deliberate. Michael paints a picture OF HIS STORY within this performance not only with SOUND and WORDS but more so with his MOVEMENTS.
Do you see the representation for EVIL, GREED and CORRUPTION? Once the story is told do you hear the question - "GET THE POINT?" ALL THE CLUES ARE THERE -
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I just watched the Dangerous Tour Bucharest Concert DVD and when Michael ended Smooth Criminal he made a hand gesture of the okay sign but with his thumb pointing to the ground. What is the meaning of this, if any?
I believe he is still referencing the same system that he was so much trying to expose. It is most likely a reference to 666. I have not had a chance to take a look at the performance yet. I will do so and come back to you on this.
Ute, you can certainly go ahead and expand on this.
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Posting the answer to Jane's question above. Here is the video of the performance:
Here is an article by Vigilant:
“A-Ok” Hand sign: Sign of the Occult Music Industry?"
Dec 16th, 2009 | By Vigilant | Category: VigilantCitizen.Com The “a-ok” hand sign commonly signifies approbation or appreciation. Like many other signs, it has a deeper, darker meaning in occult circles. Widely unnoticed, the hand sign is flashed by many major artists of the music industry. What does it really signify? We’ll look at the occult meaning of a-ok and recent artists who have used it.
We all know about the “devil’s horn” hand sign popularized by rock groups. Not many however realize that the “a-ok” sign, flashed as if it was a gang sign (well it is used by gangs but that’s not the topic here), has another meaning than simply “this is OK“. Due to the context of its usage, and often combined with other occult symbols, the a-ok seems to be is a sign of occult initiation in the music industry. They say a “picture is worth a thousand words” so I’ll let the pictures do the talking .
What Does the “A-Ok” Sign Mean? Hand signs have different meanings when found in different cultures. In America and most of Europe, the a-ok is used to signify approbation, satisfaction or excellence. In other countries, it is often considered obscene or a reference to the a-hole. It however carries a deeper meaning when one looks into occult symbolism.
“Westerner’s know it as the “okay” (or “OK”) sign. It’s done with the fingers and thumb of right or left hands (usually the right). Simply touch the index finger to the thumb, creating a circle. The other three fingers then spiral off and there you have it—the well-known symbol for OK. Universally, this sign means alright, acceptable, good, right-on, you bet!, A-OK, satisfactory…
But to occultists, the OK sign takes on darker significance. First, we have the circle, indicating the sun deity and the Mason’s never-ending quest for more light. To Freemasonry, the circle also represents the female genitalia, or yoni. In the Hindu religion, the OK sign is a revered mudra (sacred gesture) meaning “infinity” or perfection. It is associated with the female genitalia — thumb and forefinger pressed together at the tips with the other three fingers extended.
In the practice of tantric yoga (sex rituals), the OK sign is a token of ecstasy, spiritual and physical. In ancient Sumeria and Persia, charms and amulets have been discovered of fingers and hands in the modern OK position, joined along with horns implying fertility. The three fingers extended outward are symbolic of ecstatic union with the Goddess, the third member of the pagan trinity.
In Satanism, when making this sign the three fingers not used to make the circle are considered symbolic of the unholy trinity — horned God, Goddess, and offspring (antichrist). Some go so far as to adopt the view that the bent three fingers are shaped as three number six’s, or 666. Thus, we have 666, the sun deity (Lucifer), the Goddess (Mystery, Babylon the Great, Mother of Harlots), and the beast (antichrist, 666), all in one unitary hand sign. Oh what a web of evil wicked men can weave around something seemingly so ordinary and mundane.
In the Illuminist philosophy, the OK sign becomes a sign indicating approval of the Divine King, their coming Lord of Light, whom we as Christians know as antichrist. To them it means, “He approves our undertaking.” This meaning is roughly equivalent to the words in Latin atop the all-seeing eye of Osiris on our U.S. one dollar bill—Annuit Coeptus”
- Texe Marrs, Codex Magica
Whatever is the meaning behind the a-ok sign, it is certainly widely used by stars of the music industry who have been associated with occult symbolism. Placed in the context of those music videos, the signal is rarely used as a sign of approbation but it is rather flashed in the same matter as a gang sign…a sign of initiation. Here are some examples from today’s biggest stars, in alphabetical order…Could this all be a coincidence?
Complete article with visuals at this link: http://theindustryexposed.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=80:aok-sign-industry&Itemid=5
Irina thank you for taking the time to research and post your answer to my question. This is so fascinating to me. Love, Jane
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Hi Jane, You are very welcome! And same here. Love, Irina
Some additional comments I'd like to make. Knowing what Michael shared with us in his trance-channeled message about himself and HIS personal INTENT behind the use of what he called "patterns and symbols" in his work, there is very strong likelihood of a deeper hidden meaning to his use of this gesture.
One clue, which I find feels different in this instance as compared to other artists' examples, is that Michael points this signal directly downward- toward the UNDERWORLD (http://www.yourdictionary.com/underworld) perhaps?
The "6" becomes a "9" pointed downward and there just maybe a deeper message here. You may want to note a "very dark", perhaps what can be described, as "demonic" entity shown in the performance here. I feel that is our clue as to what relationship this inverted six bears here.
I recommend doing further research into what this may signify.
Based on all that has come into focus for us one can definitely see continuity in the message Michael was trying to convey throughout all of his work. Perhaps even this line from the lyrics stands for the symbolism here-
"(A)nnie, are you (OK)?" or "A-OK"
I would not put it past him...
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