They show and tell something about what has been in my heart for a long time now and what we have discussed here on the board starting with the hearings on behalf of Michael getting justice - support to stop the judgeing of Joe Jackson and so support him mentally and/or with our hearts and good thoughts for all he does for Michael. And grateful to this journalist who was so empathic and gave him the opportunity for good words.
While listening to these videos a great feeling of Love came over me and even if I repeat myself I want to repeat again:
Thank you for posting these Bonnie. A powerful lesson of love and forgiveness. I wish Joe was allowed access to Michael in the final days,he still might be with us. It is so hard to imagine a life where your father or family isn't part of your inner circle. What a lonely existence. He paid such a heavy price for fame and fortune. Sad...
With love, Jane
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The only thing I can't understand is that Joe said Omer is Michael's son, but I could be mistaken, did in one of Bonnie's channeling sessions- Michael said the kid is not my son.. was he talking about him???
Last Edited by on Sep 16, 2010 8:08 PM
I finally got around to watching these two videos in their entirety and feel ready to comment.
First, I want to say "Bravo!" and "Excellent!" to you, Bonnie, for bringing them here and for creating this topic. It has been my observation since last summer that many, many of Michael's fans have felt extreme anger and resentment towards Joe Jackson. Much of that anger came from Michael's remarks about Joe's parenting methods, or discipline skills (or lack thereof, depending on one's point of view), in the Bashir documentary. I have thought to myself, on more than one occasion, that we do not know Joe Jackson as a person. We do not know him as a parent. We do not know him as a human being. We can only 'see' him through the eyes of his children, acquaintances, and other people who claim to have known him.
A parent cannot give their children what they themselves were never given, not unless therapy or some form of extreme self analysis and awareness is involved. Joe Jackson was raised with a firm hand by his own father, and he would naturally raise his own children the way in which he himself was raised. Interestingly enough, I am at a point in Michael Jackson's "Moonwalk" book in which Joe's influence as a father, manager and business man are coming in to focus and discussion by Michael. So, watching the first interview above was perfectly timed for me, personally.
MMM, I agree with your observation regarding the subdued emotion behind Joe's eyes. You can see it - the man loved and continues to love his son. Unlike Michael's millions of fans around the world, however, Joe Jackson sees his family as more of a unit and does not show favoritism towards one son or child over another. While I don't personally agree with him regarding Jermaine being a better singer than Michael, I am pleased and impressed to see Joe speak up for Jermaine's talents and speak with pride for ALL his children, not just the one most celebrated by the public, namely Michael.
I have thought of the term "tough love" on several occasions when thinking of Michael. I'm not going to get into the specifics of that as it's not relevant to this topic, and I keep some of my opinions and thoughts to myself (as is sometimes best), but I do think that Joe Jackson showed love for his children by giving them "tough love." Michael, from what I learned in "Moonwalk," grew up poor and one of 9 children, and he lived in a neighborhood frequented by gangs and violence. Music was Joe and Katherine's way of keeping their children within arm's reach and out of trouble.
Regarding the second video, I like the way in which Michael's Oxford speech was interwoven into a theme involving his father and understanding Joe Jackson a bit better.
Jane, I think in hindsight many people wish many things had been handled differently regarding Michael. I agree with you in your line of thought about Joe possibly having been able to protect Michael from the thugs that apparently surrounded him in his final days, weeks and/or months of his life.
When it comes to Michael Jackson, there are two lines of thought or reasoning in terms of the people in his life. One line of thought goes like this: Michael Jackson didn't have any people in his life that he didn't want in his life. He was THE MICHAEL JACKSON. If he wanted you in his life, you'd be in his life. If he didn't, then you wouldn't be. Period.
The other line of reasoning is as follows: There were other people in Michael's life who kept people from getting to Michael or getting close to him. Some of these people may have included business managers, agents, lawyers, body guards, etc. Some of these people may also have been ENABLERS who told Michael all the things he wanted and needed to hear, and who knew that if they told Michael 'the truth,' they'd get fired.
Personally, I think the truth is a combination of both.
Joe Jackson would most definitely have been looking out for Michael's best interests, in my opinion, but it's also fair to say that he would have wanted Michael to rejoin his brothers at some point for a reunion. He's a father with more than one son, and we must remember that he created the Jackson 5 and was very, very proud of them. What I'm trying to say, with respect and understanding towards Joe Jackson, is that while he may have been able to help protect Michael in some or many respects, I can't help thinking he would have had his own agenda as well. This is where Leonard Rowe's version of some things may come into play.
Thank you, Bonnie.
Edited for spelling and to add: I'm very impressed and grateful that Joe had the courage and decency to mention David LeGrand as one of Michael's attorneys who really did his homework in terms of researching ALL of Michael's staff and employees. This may be the same person who exposed Branca and Sony for funneling, laundering or stealing large sums of Michael's money and putting it into off-shore accounts. There may be testimony or transcript documentation of this online somewhere, but the name David LeGrand is ringing bells with me, and I do believe it has to do with Branca and Sony. Wasn't it Tom Messerau who questioned this man, in court, regarding the money that was Michael's and that had been sent to off shore accounts? That would also explain Joe Jackson's comment about Mr. LeGrand getting the message across, in so many words, that to go after these people would probably lead to his own termination.
'These people' don't fool around.
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I just got around to watching these. I was actually familiar with the top interview soon after it's release last year and of course Michael's Oxford speech from having listened to it soon after Michael passed.
I have already expressed my support for Joe here in other threads and I agree with your observations above.
Only thing to add is that through my understanding of Michael's situation, the thugs were not there just at the end. They closed in on and surrounded Michael from the time he became a solo commercial success.
additional note: Hi Bonnie, Thank you for taking a positive stand on the subject of Joe. He deserves a fair chance in this situation. I feel he is earnestly seeking justice on behalf of Michael and needs all of the moral support he can get.
Hugs to All, Irina
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Well, you're ahead of me, once again, in the viewing of the videos department! :p I had never seen the first interview before today and did not know that it was released last year. Thank you for sharing this information, Irina, as it's hard to tell sometimes when an interview was actually done and originally aired.
I've noticed you've given Joe your support and respect, and I'm with you. :)
"Only thing to add is that through my understanding of Michael's situation, the thugs were not there just at the end. They closed in on and surrounded Michael from the time he became a solo commercial success."
That would place their presence and the timing of their arrival around the time of "Thriller." The music industry is a shady and seedy business, and Michael would have known about this and experienced it before then, in my opinion. He was experiencing certain things, no doubt, even as a young boy and as a child.
Once he hit the big time and became world famous and extremely wealthy, with all eyes on him due to his fame and super stardom, those who control the music industry would have made their move. . . Unfortunately, I think Michael had to do business with those folks, whether he wanted to or not, and having a successful career in the music industry meant making some choices.
I suspect that that's when the Jehova's Witnesses were OUT and the Illuminati were IN. Fame, celebrity and money will inevitably attract shady and questionable people, and Michael's trusting and at times gullible nature would lead him into some unfortunate alliances, it would seem. I don't question Michael's intelligence or his insights. However, I don't think he was a very good judge of character.
All in all, I agree with you, Irina.
Warmly, Carmen
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I would really like your take (and everyone else that would like to add a comment) on what I deducted from Murray's outcry concerning Kline? I'm not a lawyer, but that whole emotional request from Murray concerning Kline being added to Joe's lawsuit is fishy to me. Please read the second half of my post above (Sept. 16, 7:40) Speaking of the Illuminati, did you read the information and opinions on the Yahoo answers website? It will blow your mind! http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090626052200AALeEFA
Hi Marleneho. I responded regarding my opinions on Murray's demand that Kline be included in Joe's lawsuit in the other thread. Murray is covering his rear end and making certain that he doesn't go down alone.
I think I had read the Yahoo answers segment on the Illuminati some months ago, and I recall being astounded that the person who wrote the answers had put up that information a long time ago - at least a year before I had read the information that he posted.
Here is a link to an excellent website on the Illuminati. Wes Penre has been doing research on this topic and this group for about 20 years. This is well worth reading and looking into, for anyone interested in learning more. I consider this man an expert in the field.
You are welcome. Just want to come back to your last comment: "...I don't think he [Michael] was a very good judge of character."
Carmen, It is my understanding that Michael had no way out. He was swimming in a sea full of sharks. Not by his own choosing though. I think the underlying business atmosphere around Michael has been touched on here a number of times. There was not anyone he could trust on a business level as has been proven time and time again. I recommend you read at least that last section of the Rowe book which Bonnie pointed out.
With Best Regards Irina
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This is my thought on Micheal being responsible for his own actions in all of this. This is without concidering that he wasn't in his right mind because of the drugs. All that I say is with love, for understanding.
I don't think Michael had a chance to judge anyone's "real" character that was around him. His whole inner circle that was supposed to be protecting him turned out not to be what they were supposed to be. Bad things happen to good people (and naive trusting people).
Michael was gang raped and manipulated emotionally and financially, with his dignity and reputation on the line. By "rape" I mean that they did not have his "consent" or "approval" of what was done or proposed to him by others. They had him financially imprisoned with no way out. I don't blame the person that was raped on the grounds that their continence and knowledge of what was taking place was not strong enough or clear enough.
Please look at this site to see some of the level of deceit people went through to destroy Michael.
Thanks for sharing the link to Wes Penre's site re the Illuminati. I've been reading some of it. It is the most comprehensive & informative site I've seen on this topic, including all the elements, history, etc.
