Thank you for your response Bonnie! Wow, so Randy Phillips lied all this while that Michael wanted Conrad and would always want his way and would not take "no" from anyone for an answer!
There will be a HTWF vs. THE ESTATE trial coming up soon. This will hopefully bring more truth to light.
As far as Randy Phillips goes, he has been lying all along. He has been doing all in his power to shift the blame onto Michael. AEG made sure that Michael would not get ANY help while he was deteriorating in front of everyone's eyes.
One could hear between the lines of recent testimony that they were severely and persistently preying on Michael's weak spots with threats and pressure. They knew he was in a vulnerable state. AEG truly did not give a damn. Once they had the contract in place, and Tohme was a major player in this ( he should have been in that courtroom because I believe he is the one who brought Murray to AEG) they knew it was a win win for them.
It was quite obvious during trial how blatantly and unison the AEG executives, Randy Phillips topping them all with his cockiness, suffered collective amnesia during testimony. The behaviour of Phillips, Leiweke and Gongaware was so outrageous that Mr. Panish made a collage of this for the jury.
Only reason for their behavior is that AEG knew that they can lie all they want because they were confident the outcome would go their way. So yes we saw this during the CM trial.
And yes the framing of the questions was tricky. But then both teams of lawyers signed off on this. So maybe now that the question of whether the jury agreed CM was hired by AEG is answered, there is room for Mr. Panish to appeal the verdict. If Murray was convicted of negligence how can he then be deemed competent? What competent doctor would go out of bounds this way? How is it that AEG agreed to pay 150K per month to Murray when the Head of Anesthesiology was quoting them less than a 1/3 of the monthly fee requested by Murray. Did AEG bet that the day will NOT arrive when they would have to pay Murray? Murray was a perfect puppet.
...And do keep in mind AEG went into this thinking of Michael as "a freak" (recall the emails). This seals the deal as far as AEG and what their intent toward Michael was at the start of the entire TII endeavor.
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Yes, I hope more truth comes out in the upcoming trials! We do not know if the truth will bring about justice or if the truth that comes out equals to justice. But the truth is more important to come out than getting justice! Justice cannot be guaranteed in the kind of court system we have. I was thinking that we got to learn so much from the court trial and from Michael's life. And hopefully, this and the truth that will be revealed in the future, will caution and save many more artists and their innocent children and families from suffering.
All key people surrounding Michael like Tohme, Frank, Peter Lopez, Dr. Klein, Grace, Branca were missing in the court trials. Yes, AEG and those involved knew Michael's vulnerability but they didn't really care. Dr. Arnold Klein recently on Fox news said the same thing. Conrad Murray did not have a license to practice in London. Michael was looking around for an anesthesiologist. And they wanted Michael to suffer and die. The video can be seen at: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2704626144001/who-is-responsible-for-michael-jacksons-death/
Yes, AEG knew that Michael needed an anesthesiologist and not a general practitioner/ cardiologist because in the court trial they did reveal they had recommended an anesthesiologist. Why would they recommend an anesthesiologist? Because they knew that Michael needed anesthesia and he was specifically asking for an anesthesiologist! Therefore, this means that AEG was negligent in not hiring an anesthesiologist but hired a cardiologist! And at the same time they are claiming they did not know why Michael needed a doctor! All tour promoters including Gongaware (as Gongaware had told another doctor not to be a Dr. Nick) knew that Michael had difficulty sleeping during tours and would take medical drugs for that.
What I don't understand is why Randy Phillips and Tohme showed up at Michael's house to talk to Dr. Murray right before Michael's death even after Michael had started going to rehearsals and was performing well in those rehearsals as per the This is It video. If Micheal was performing well at the rehearsals, they had no need to meet Dr. Murray without Michael behind Michael's back.
Good question concerning Randy Phillips and Tohme showing up at the house that night to talk to Murray. Recall that Murray signed and faxed over his contract to AEG that night. Based on the testimony in Katherine's lawsuit Tohme was still acting as representative of the Michael Jackson company. He continued to do so well after Michael passed. So perhaps they were there that night to discuss plans with the tour and the contract with Murray, etc.
The above interview has the same feelings that I was getting regarding it being a mission to find out the truth. Of course only a small portion has really come to light. Michael's concerns are for his children. Those concerns seem well founded.
Thank you for the video too Irina! It confirmed my perception that justice was obstructed by the way the questions were framed or "phrased". I realized this after watching a few minutes of the video on the closing dispositions of attorney Putnam. Both he and the judge had similar facial expressions.
Attorney Panish did say he did not want the questions phrased that way. I won't be surprised if the judge is away on vacation right now, perhaps the same places that Branca and Dileo had disappeared and gone to around the time of Michael's death? Wonder who sponsored their vacations?
You are welcome Bonnie! ox Yes, I agree that Michael would not want the sort of public exposure and the immersion into the industry we are seeing with his children.
@Mons89 I would not make a definitive statement that Murray knew Michael would not survive this ordeal. Personally I don't think that he did at the time all was swirling about him. But I am sure since then he has had some time to reflect. Based on the emerging picture I feel that Murray was a desperate man and blinded by the promise of BIG money. He did not stop to think things through. Having said that I still do not feel sorry for him as some of his recent messages have been odd and there does not seem to be any sincere remorse coming from him. Also I do not believe that Murray was paid. His last taped message was not kind to AEG. I think he is hoping to sell his story. Question is will he live to tell the tale.
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I thought about what you said and I realized that one cannot make a definitive statement about Murray or whether he was paid. I have only been speculating so far about different possibilities because I so much want to find the truth! I am also feeling very frustrated and tired because I am so much intrigued by Michael's life and yet I cannot get any definitive answers. Yes, Murray is definitely odd and his behavior after he comes out of prison will shed more light on what type of a person he really is. If he is desperate for money and really needs it, he will sue AEG or demand his wages and try to make money off of what he knows. But again this is a speculation and only God knows what happened. He does not have my sympathy because this could not have been an accident although it looked like one. Murray is a doctor, he should have known the consequences of medication and the need to supervise Michael. According to phone records, it seems he was talking on the phone for more than 40 minutes with various girlfriends and people, so it was not just a trip to the bathroom. His priorities were definitely not straight and he should have made taking care of Michael a priority. Again it seems odd that as a doctor and especially as a cardiologist, it seems he was unable to do CPR properly. His competency was compromised due to a lack of resuscitation equipment including CPR machine and a nurse, which AEG did not provide.
Only time will tell the truth and I do want the truth to come out fast. Because the truth coming out can ensure that Michael's children will remain safe.
I agree with your statement concerning the children. Everyone of the players seems to have their version of the truth here. (I do not include Michael in this.) The only sure thing so far is that nothing quite adds up, although seeming to be trying very hard to do so. Certainly not at the speed at which the latest verdict was reached and the explanation given by the jury after 5 months of testimony. I was shocked by the amorous references toward Kenny Ortega and by the jury not seeming to notice how contradictory their conclusions were in answer to the 1st and 2nd questions on the questionnaire. Definitely more truth needs to come out.
AEG and Kenny took a stand that Michael was an adult, a healthy adult who should be responsible for his own choices. This experience made me think about choices and freedom in life. Well in a general sense it is true that we are responsible for own decisions and ideally it sounds good that we are in control of our choices but are we really? Are we really responsible for the kind of choices presented to us? The choices presented to Michael were misinformed. If I am ill and a highly educated doctor tells me it's safe to take this medication, don't worry, you will okay, as long as I am there to monitor you. If this is the choice presented to me by a doctor versus choosing not getting good sleep, and all other choices I had tried out and not worked. Will I not choose the doctor's advice in good faith rather than risk my health and potential to earn? So it appears that yes, Michael was an adult and made his choices but these were wrong misguided choices presented to him. As were the threats to him from AEG.
Ortega had told Faye that Michael stands to lose everything, including his house and children if he did not do the shows. This may have been told to Michael and they must have convinced him this is true. These were the choices presented to Michael by AEG who may have threatened him. As a father, Michael's biggest fear must have been his children being taken away from him. One might say Michael had a choice to walk away and not do the shows, face bankruptcy and go homeless. But as a human being that's not simple. As a father, he would take the risk and do the shows because he may have really believed his children will be taken away if he cannot take care of them or he did not want them to be hungry or on the streets. He did not have a choice to walk away from the shows. Why? Randy Phillips himself said in his emails and text messages that he went into Michael's hotel room past security, physically dragged and "scraped Michael off the hotel room floor", screamed at him "till the walls shook", "slapped" him, shoved him in the shower, helped him with his "nose" and "hair". All this while security did nothing to help Michael. Aren't they supposed to protect him? But they were paid by AEG. And then Randy made sure that Michael was taken to make the announcement that he will performing the shows. This was full control. Did Michael have a choice here? It clearly seems he did not want to do the shows but security followed Randy's instructions and Michael was dragged to make the announcement. And as Paul Gongaware said in his email, once Michael announces the shows, we have him "locked." They knew that Michael will not want to dismay his thousands of fans by retracting his shows announcement for a comeback. If one sees the following video where Michael was taken to make the shows announcement, you will see Michael getting out and Randy's body language indicating control and directing where Michael should go. Next to Randy you will see someone who looks like Philip Anschutz the AEG company owner, and Michael followed closely by Tohme. They making sure Michael goes and makes the announcement.
The jury themselves sounded stunned about the verdict they had arrived at & clearly said that they would have answered differently had the questions been phrased differently. They were all of the opinion that Murray was found to be incompetent & unethical. The verdict was surprising because according to employment law, the employer is liable for damages by employee’s conduct. Even the judge said that Katherine has a standing to collect damages because there was a conflict of interest established in case of Murray. So how did the jury arrive at this verdict? What happened with the jury is another example of limited choices presented from the way qs were phrased and a decision that had to be made from them. Makes us rethink about our choices and responsibility for decisions, doesn’t it?
I'm glad that Katherine Jackson was able to bring a case against a music company thanks to attorney Brian Panish! I hope more and more people bring law suits against these music industries and web of attorneys and managers who rob people of their royalties and rights. These fake people need to be exposed. Another news article where I'm glad someone is going against SONY although they are also suing MJ estate because MJ estate and SONY go hand-in-hand:
Conrad Murray is a shadow of his former self, looking noticeably older and gray, as he chowed down on his first post-pokey meal -- IN-N-OUT!
Murray looked business casual after wearing standard issue orange for 2 years. He was able to evade cameras as he left jail at 12:01 AM, thanks to the L.A. County Sheriff's Dept.
According to his receipt, the whole meal cost him $8.94, including two Double-Doubles, something he probably dreamed about for months.
For comparison's sake, here's Murray's mug shot from 2011, taken moments after he was convicted of manslaughtering Michael Jackson. The good doc looks a good 20 lbs lighter now.
Thanks Bonnie for the Project Camelot interview link! I had always wondered about that song "they don't really care about us". The video had interesting pictures and the location. Michael was of both African and Native American descent, people who are still oppressed even today.
It recently came to my mind, there is one more odd and suspicious thing about Dr. Conrad Murray. Michael's autopsy revealed that Michael had medical conditions including brain swelling, bronchitis and pneumonia. In addition to the facts that Dr. Murray overdosed Michael and he did not resuscitate him properly (CPR on bed instead of on floor, delay in calling 911 and not informing paramedics of propofol so an antidote could be given) to bring him back, I wonder how in the world can it be possible for any doctor not to have detected and recognized signs of pneumonia? It is not possible that Dr. Murray did not see these symptoms. He must have and yet he did not have Michael undergo treatment/ rest for these medical conditions! All this counts up to be too suspicious.
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Hello! I'm back again to continue where I left off. As far as everything concerning Michael, this is NOT over! This is NOT it! Michael Jackson will not be quietly shelved away as a CD or movie record or brand in a store! The fight will continue!
On retrospect, I am not a medical expert. So in terms of what I said before in terms of what seems like deliberate medical mismanagement by Conrad, I will now say, I'm not sure how easy it is for pneumonia to be diagnosed by a doctor although I wondered how did Dr. Murray miss symptoms of pneumonia. Now putting the pieces together, it seems Michael's observed behaviors in the last month as reported by others were consistent with symptoms of pneumonia. Behaviors observed by others at O2 like Michael was shivering, he was feeling cold, was "rambling", confused, disoriented... all could be symptoms of pneumonia. Some may have misinterpreted these as "OCD symptoms" or needing a psychologist. But if anyone at O2 arena voiced concerned that Michael needs to be taken to a doctor or hospital, their voices were hushed by telling them that Michael already has a doctor, Dr. Murray, who is taking of Michael. Therefore, Michael needs no other doctor or hospital. It seems Dr. Murray was in place to make sure that Michael did not get the medical help he needed and would not go to a hospital or anywhere else. Another thing that came to my mind this week is that if Conrad Murray brags that he loved Michael and Michael loved him, why did Michael call nurse Cherilyn Lee on June 21st (3 days before he died) when he was not feeling well? Why did he not call Dr. Murray? Did he not trust Murray? He should have contacted Dr. Murray right, if he loved and trusted him? Below is the excerpt I found from a news article:
56-year-old Cherilyn Lee specialised in nutritional counseling. Cherily Lee said she took a "frantic" cell phone call from a Michael Jackson personal staff member on the 21st of June with a request for her presence by Michael Jackson after he complained feeling hot on one side of his body and cold on the other.
Nurse Cherily Lee instead advised the staff member to take Jackson immediately to hospital.
"At that point, I knew that somebody had given him something that hit the central nervous system," Cherily Lee said.
"He was in trouble Sunday and he was crying out," Cherilyn Lee told CNN.
Also, the words 'grapefruit' and 'juice' kept coming to my mind. So I googled up. This is what I found:
The singer was, on the advice of a nutritionist, drinking up to 2litres a day of a grapefruit-rich smoothie for three weeks while he rehearsed for his London concerts.
The investigator for the coroner's office, Elissa Fleak, testified Thursday at the trial of Jackson's doc that she catalogued all of the medical evidence, but did not collect the Naked juice container that photographs prove was on the singer's nightstand.
"I did not collect the juice bottle," Fleak said under cross examination on the eighth day of Dr. Conrad Murray's trial for involuntary manslaughter.
Also in the recent AEG Live court transcripts, it did come up that Randy Phillips would direct Dr. Murray to feed Michael plenty of smoothies, protein enriched etc. I wonder what these were. As far as I know and any doctor SHOULD know, Dr. Murray should not have allowed Michael to drink grapefruit juice or any juice for 2 reasons: 1. grapefruit juice adversely effects with any medication and 2. smoothies or juices contain sugar, even fruit sugar (sucrose) should be refrained from by a person who has lupus, vitiligo, skin or any condition that has underlying viral or bacterial infection. This is because sugar feeds the bacteria or virus and makes the illness worse!
The fight over Michael Jackson's death is NOT over, because Katherine Jackson has just appealed one of the judge's major decisions in the case ... TMZ has learned.
As you know, the jury ruled AEG was NOT responsible for MJ's death, concluding the company was not wrong in hiring Dr. Conrad Murray. Earlier in the case, the judge dismissed two key players as defendants ... CEO Randy Phillips and Paul Gongaware, who was in charge of producing and promoting Jackson's "This Is It" concert tour.
Katherine and MJ's 3 kids sued for more than $40 billion, claiming the loss of Michael devastated their lives -- and now apparently believe the decision to dismiss Phillips and Gongaware torpedoed their case.
Katherine and co. are appealing the dismissal.
It's very difficult to overturn judge decisions in civil cases, but it can happen ... especially if the judge screwed up an important ruling.
the daily mail ran an article 3 days ago with Conrad Murray saying micheal was responsible for his own death..how close they had become before he died[claims he held his penis with catheter as was incontinant…] also claims he left the room and michael injected himself!!! pretty sad stuff here….
Is it possible for you to share what Michael had shared with you as his memory of the last place he was in the house? His eyes were open when his body was found, which means he was awake/ could see just before he died. There's a part of the house that makes me feel sick and trapped when I see the pic. It's the top of the kitchen stairs and area leading to the kitchen stairs on the 2nd floor.
So glad RP got the boot. A small token of justice in all of this. Sat, RP paid off by who? AEG and Sony made out like bandits from the spoils. Estate paid 40 Mil back to AEG and booked, the post-mortem tours in AEGs venues.
I tried to forget all about Michael but I can't. In fact I need to thank him because I believe he helped me to get an opportunity to help children who are suffering. I think my life path is similar to his in terms of helping children but in my own way. It is important for everyone to follow their own life path. He also helped me realize that God created humans with the faith that we will take care of this earth and all animals in it. I tried to search for the picture of Carolwood house that I had mentioned before that had drawn me. I was curious to look up the house after I dreamed Michael was on top of the stairs and called my name several times and said he wants to show me something. But I'm too scared to do that in real life as I'm scared of ghosts. So I was just looking up pictures of the house. There's this other picture that I found and heard the words in my mind "There's that room." The pic can be found here: http://ca.eonline.com/photos/4835/michael-jackson-s-death-house/177989
Hi Mons89 - I don't think any fan could ever try to forget about Michael. Even if you try it'll always go back to square one. He is a huge part of our lives as we all can relate to him or his song(s). I think it's brilliant where he has put you to this day and he'll continue to motivate others globally. I know what you mean...I work at a hospital now in which my path has completely changed since 2009 as I wanted to be that person to be part of community who cares for their patients.
Did you managed to go to Michael after calling your name? (Or is it that picture Michael showed you in your dream?)
For the past two weekends, I've been having a 'Missing you Michael' moment. :(
Hi Mango8, I'm happy for you after hearing how your life has changed! I wonder why you are remembering him so much recently as well! I now work in a hospital too! Isn't that amazing?! It's a children's hospital. In my dream I learned that Michael called me several nights to come to the house. He would stand on the 2nd floor near the stairs and he would call me saying he wants to show me something. He looked very real. I would follow him but I don't remember the rest. I felt a friendship with Michael. During the day (when no longer dreaming), I got curious to see the pics of the house on the internet. I can no longer find the previous pic of the area in the house that made me sick but the other pic (the web-link I provided) was something I came across yesterday on the internet. I don't remember it as part of my dream but just had the experience that I shared. :)
Mon89, Thank you. It is amazing! That's just pretty cool.
I have no idea why I am remembering him at the moment unless it's to do with my ipod. I haven't listened to his music properly for nearly a year and the last two weeks I have been. Just remembering the old times and this is it came on Christmas day in the UK.
I came across the 60 min interview yesterday with Katherine on youtube. Momma Katherine set me off (cried): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8cIOCeWDwo (Especially at the end - that cut like a knife).
I wonder why he is directing you to the 2nd floor. The curiosity! :))
The location he showed me is not the location that is publicly known. It is a cover story. It is on the second floor.
Dr. Murray was publicly reported as coming down the stairs that lead into the kitchen to get help. Perhaps Michael is trying to show you the real location.
Mons89, I came across this link recently. Bonnie, Not sure whether you have seen it. Perhaps it is of use. http://www.tmz.com/photos/2013/06/15/michael-jackson-death-scene-evidence-mess-drugs-propofol-inside-photos/images/2013/06/14/michael-jackson-evidence-photos-inside-death-house-drugs-propofol-0316-jpg/ Hugs to all, Irina
Hi Bonnie, Mango8 and Irina! I want to wish you a very Happy New Year and hope this year we will be able to help Michael successfully! I've dreamt about Michael yesterday night, the night before and morning of 31 Dec. He talked a lot but I don't recall during the day. He comes across as very accepting, non-judgemental and helpful. In one dream it was like we were sitting in a park and chatting normally. In another dream, I was a child again and visited him to sit on one of his many rides, a carousal. Also, I dreamt about the house but cannot recall clearly. Yesterday when I looked at the pic again (the link that I had posted here) I felt very dizzy each time I saw it. I love the floors of the house, I feel like dancing across the floors (odd emotion).
Hi Bonnie, Thank you for your response! I am willing to share more if I can/ get more info. You said Michael showed you the location? Were you able to visit the house or did he give you a visual image? Is it possible for you to share more about the location or are you refraining as per Michael's wishes to keep things private? Hi Irina, Thank you for the link! I'll look at it! How did you know that he died on the second floor? Hi Mango8, I'm not really sure why Michael was directing the 2nd floor but I've had many experiences. I've heard the words "insurance" repeatedly just 2-3 weeks ago, I dreamt that Michael was talking to someone and mentioned that some incidents had happened in the "library" and "upstairs", and in my dreams I've as far as I can remember/ recall during the day, I've seen Michael underneath the stairs, in the closet, in a room that had a couch and TV. I know I've dreamt more but I don't really remember most if it during the day. It may come as recognition. For instance, I feel there were more people than Dr. Murray upstairs.
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Mons89 - Because you've had Michael coming into your dreams quite often, what helps is having a journal beside your bed to help recall and recollect what happened in the dream.
http://uk.eonline.com/photos/4835/michael-jackson-s-death-house/177977 < The library as you've mentioned. :)
I too keep getting that feeling that there was more than one person upstairs.
I'm not sure if anyone knows of a UK presenter who has criticised Michael for many years but also a typical biased journalist called Lorraine Kelly? I know Taj wasn’t happy with her comments few months back and wanted to take action against her slander towards Michael. Back in November 2013, she interviewed Murray by LIVE broadcasting (a typical biased Michael hater and journalist who doesn't do her research). She is telling Murray off while Murray denies killing Michael when he went away dealing with the 'calls'. This to me kind of implies something had happened in that space of time when he was gone BUT Michael could not have drank propofol because drinking it would burn and it’s IMPOSSIBLE.
Here is Part 1 of the interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-63Je5-OWBM
From 3:10 - defending his innocence From 3:50 - talks about that night From 4:25 - not present in his bedroom
Correct me if I am wrong, toxicology mentioned propofol was detected in the stomach and IV bag was found four days later with propofol detected in there. Could there have been another person(s) while Michael was sleeping or had he wakened up; he would feel groggy and nauseous for hours or even days that he wasn’t aware what was going on when Murray left him?
Murray claims: 10:40am - Admin'ed the propofol 11:20/25 - Left Michael and mentions effects of propofol wears off within 15mins
For everyone: Rev June Gatlin has posted two videos of her interview with Vanity Fair and part 3 is pending. Warning: it will make you cry but very interesting to listen.
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDcY9lSfBY Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzDcY9lSfBY Part 3: Pending
My safety was always Michael's biggest concern. I have had several experiences which caused me to agree with his concerns that still continue to this day.
William Wagoner put out today the same list that I have. Here is his Facebook posting.
William J. Wagener
Way too many suicides/murders of people associated/related/connected!!! Let's see if we can name them in order of Suicide/Murder:
1. Bruce Ayers (Former Dr. KLEIN Assistant) - Dead on December 18, 2009;
2. PETER LOPEZ (former MJ Attorney) - Dead May 10, 2010; Another Suicide, except the facts don't add up, just a short time after he announced on a local TV report that the Last Will and Trustee for his kids, would all be "cleared up" in a short time... REALLY.
3. Frank DILEO (Formed MJ Manager) - Dead on August 24, 2011; from a complication from a routine surgery? REALLY ? http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/frank-dileo-michael-jackson-manager-fed-pop-star-estate-death-source-article-1.946820
4. Jack Wishna (Former MJ Business Associate) Brought MJ back to USA in his Private Jet - Dead on November 27, 2012; and he decides to do Suicide, REALLY? THINK about it.
5. Evan Chandler - (Fraud Father alleging MJ Molestation in 1993) - Dead on November 5, 2009 (Sorry, out of chronological order)!
6./ 7. Sulema and Jerrielle Wilborn - Legal Clinic Volunteers for Tom Mesereau, Michael’s attorney during the 2005 trial. Both her and her husband killed, car crashing into a pole on August 4th, 2010. that was 6 and 7. Odd?
8. Ronni Chasen was an publicist who was shot in Beverly Hills on November 16, 2010, at approximately 12:28 a.m., as she was driving home from the Hollywood premiere of the film "Burlesque." I seem to recall Dr. KLEIN stating he was supposed to have been a passenger in her car that night.
9. Dolly Thomas, divorcing Wife of Ex-Sheriff; JIM THOMAS, of Santa Barbara County, who did work for Tom Snake"mad Dog" Sneddon. Did she really commit suicide, WHY... because she was about to get 1/2 of JIM THOMAS' pension, and the HOME from the marriage? Come on people THINK ! Or she KNEW too MUCH? THINK people THINK.
Frank Dileo, Michael Jackson's former manager, fed up with pop star's estate before death: source www.nydailynews.com
Frank Dileo rests in peace - though we hear he was pretty agitated about Michael Jackson's estate before he died. Frank Dileo, Michael Jackson's former manager, fed up with pop star's estate before death: source nydailynews.com
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Thank you so much for the links and additional info! That's a lot of info you put together! Also, I watched Katherine's video and I'm very concerned too. She is going through a lot of pain. Things haven't really gotten better after Michael's death but seem to be getting worse.
I did watch Rev. June's video and I too agree with her that something happened between 7 am and 10:30 am because Dr. Murray's police statement, which I had read, cannot seem to adequately account for this time after 7 am. There seem to be gaps. I watched Dr. Murray's interview. Since past 2 weeks, I've started feeling more and more that Dr. Murray was trapped in this situation just like Michael. One wonders what pressures he may be facing now? Thank you for the link of the photo of Michael's library (http://uk.eonline.com/photos/4835/michael-jackson-s-death-house/177977 #sthash.iqT9HSpG.dpuf) When I looked at it, the fireplace does look spooky with an unusual light filling up the whole room. I got curious so I zoomed in on the fireplace and as I started moving to the right side of the photo (view of the floors and cupboards, space between fireplace and the white patch on the floor on right) I very strongly became aware of Michael's song "Smooth Criminal" and the music and lyrics in my mind. Then I zoomed in back to the fireplace and started viewing the wooden framework and walls around the fireplace. If you zoom in too, you will see there is an unusual purple-blue color/ light around the fireplace on the fireplace wooden framework as well as above the small tv. Then if you move up to the left ceiling, you see the same colored light on the upper left ceiling of this room. The whole room seems to be filled with some kind of ethereal light. It is unusual I think to see this because it seems that this picture was taken during the day. I googled pictures of the library online and they are all the same.
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Thank you for sharing the info on Michael's concerns and the list put up by William. If Michael has concerns then they must be justified. I pray you stay safe. Let's hope for the best.
Bonnie, just reading the post has given me the chills. Like Mons89 said, stay safe and I too will pray for your safety.
Mons89, Im happy to know that others feel the same too. For someone who keeps denying their actions tells us something went on in that time. I do feel and fear for Katherine. :(
I see the purple/ethereal light in the picture. The light from the left is blocked so it is quite a ethereal light.
Happy New Year to you too Mons89, I think the answer to your question of why the 2nd floor is - did you not follow the Conrad Murray trial closely? I think anyone following would have surmised that the bedrooms in the house were on the second floor, and that is where CM was administering the propofol, and that is where the paramedics found Michael not breathing. Perhaps this was the information you were missing and that is why he keeps showing you the 2nd floor...
I did follow Dr. Murray's trial and I know that the court and media said that Michael supposedly died in the bedroom on the 2nd floor. On my part, I'm still not sure if he died on the 2nd floor. I just shared my dreams and being drawn to certain parts/ pics of the house when I see the pics, that's all. I saw the video of the link you posted. Yes, I agree this is a form of modern slavery and what happened with Michael also meets the legal definition of labor "human trafficking". Michael's death reminds me of the death of a Unicorn as described in Harry Potter. When someone as pure, sacred and defenseless as Michael was killed, it tore and shred a hole in the fabric of our Universal consciousness. At a deeper level, thousands of fans and even persons who were never Michael's fans before, have been compelled to seek and find out the truth and research on him. Why is this phenomenon happening? Even his family is not ready to accept the story about his death and want to keep searching for answers in terms of what exactly happened. Because at a deeper level, we all subconsciously know, that a terrible and grave deed has been done. Yesterday, I heard the word "faith" in my mind. I guess we just have to keep the faith and keep going. Sometimes the truth takes time to come out because when it will come out, all those people in the court system and music industry will be exposed for their lies and actions. There is a Universe plan behind all this and we may learn that God and Love's power is greater than all the money put together in this world.
Court hears arguments on Jackson concert promoter lawsuit
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY
AP Entertainment Writer January 22, 2015
Jackson-AEG Suit
LOS ANGELES — Lawyers for Michael Jackson's mother argued Thursday for a new trial in her case against concert promoter AEG Live LLC, but faced a skeptical panel of appellate justices who focused on the superstar's relationship with the doctor convicted of killing him.
Attorneys for Katherine Jackson appealed a jury's verdict finding that AEG Live was not financially responsible for the singer's June 2009 death. They contend that the trial court judge incorrectly dismissed negligence and employment claims before the trial, and jurors were given an improper verdict form and instructions.
The trial spanned more than five months in 2013 with testimony that focused on the relationship between Jackson, AEG and Dr. Conrad Murray, who was convicted of involuntary manslaughter for giving the singer a lethal dose of the anesthetic propofol.
Much of the questioning from the appellate justices focused on Jackson's relationship with Murray, the details of the cardiologist's contract drafted by AEG, and who was paying the physician's $150,000 a month fee to care for Jackson as he prepared for his ill-fated "This Is It" comeback concerts.
The panel noted that Murray treated Jackson before the concerts were planned and questioned whether the doctor's fee would be reimbursed by Jackson after the shows.
Associate Justices Sandy Kriegler and Richard M. Mosk questioned how AEG could have known that Murray was giving Jackson treatments of propofol.
"What is the fault of AEG in this?" Kriegler asked Jackson attorney Margaret Grignon toward the end of the hourlong arguments. "I'm just lost in all of this.
"They just don't seem to have any knowledge of any of this," Kriegler said.
Mosk said it would be one thing if AEG suspected Murray was giving Jackson painkillers or traditional sleep drugs. "Isn't it a stretch to go from that to propofol, which is beyond the pale."
Grignon countered that it was a decision that a jury should answer.
AEG attorney Marvin Putnam said the case hinged on whether the concert promoter could have foreseen that Murray was giving Jackson propofol in the singer's bedroom. The drug is supposed to be administered solely in hospital settings.
"Everyone in the world, not just AEG, learned about propofol because of this tragic death," Putnam told the panel.
Grignon however argued that AEG inserted itself into Jackson's medical care, allowed the doctor to set the singer's rehearsal schedule and controlled Murray's actions, which a jury should be allowed to consider.
"This is not a case where AEG simply agreed to pay Mr. Jackson's personal physician to accompany him on tour," Grignon argued.
Katherine Jackson did not attend Thursday's arguments.
The justices did not state when they would issue a ruling. Two justices must agree on the decision.
Anthony McCartney can be reached at http://twitter.com/mccartneyAP
Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2015/01/22/3605210_court-hears-arguments-on-jackson.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy
Thank you Bonnie. ANTHONY McCARTNEY was the only reporter who attended the hearing. His tweets that day: https://storify.com/mccartneyAP/jackson-vs-aeg-live-appellate-arguments
I was watching the AEG trial videos last weekend and I feel like sharing some of my perceptions. I would like to check my perceptions with you. If you see this video, it makes me think that Judge Yvette Palazuelos was actually taken aback while reading the jury verdict as she if she was expecting the jury verdict to go in Michael's favor but the opposite happened. Her body language actually shows her falling back as if in disbelief.
Also, I had seen a video of Marvin Putnam later saying that "luckily" they won. His body language too was as if he was surprised and he blurted the word "luckily". It was as if he too was expecting AEG to not win the case. I cannot locate the video today but here the news did quote him saying "They knew from the beginning that they didn’t do something wrong, and LUCKILY, today that was vindicated. The jury unanimously found the same,” defense attorney Marvin Putnam said in a statement following the verdict."
And an article about the jurors: http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/12/showbiz/michael-jackson-new-trial-motion/ Michael Jackson death trial jurors: 'Stunned,' 'cheated' by verdict process By Alan Duke, CNN;?Updated 12:33 AM ET, Fri December 13, 2013
For some unknown reason I do think the jurors misinterpreted the second court question as following from the context / sequel to the first question when actually it was an entirely separate question.
The first question asked the jurors if AEG hired Dr. Conrad Murray and they all said yes. The second question asked if Dr. Murray was competent to do the job for which he was hired. It was here that the jurors interpreted this question as if it was a continuation of the first question. They misunderstood and thought that the question asked if Dr. Murray was fit at the time he was hired, when infact the question was asking was that overall taking into account what has happened (i.e. before, at the time, during the time and the aftermath) do you think that Dr. Murray was fit or competent for the job. Of course we all know he was not because according to his own testimony he was on the phone away from Michael.
All this does not help us now. Yes based on the overwhelming evidence against them everyone was expecting AEG to loose. However, to the best of my recollection, the jurors that were not happy with the verdict reported that there was one juror whose interpretation of the 2nd question swayed the outcome. Sounds like an agent provocateur was inserted into the jury either during jury selection or this person was influenced to make sure they sway the jury during the trial proceedings. We will likely never know. But it sure felt like the jury was fixed.
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Thanks! Sometimes I do things that have no reason at all. I was just pulled toward watching the verdict videos again. I feel it's important to know what really happened. Also, I don't want to hold any animosity towards the judge nor the attorney and I feel I should not judge them. From watching the videos, it seems to me they were really surprised that AEG won.
Yes, it does seem strange that why all the jurors got influenced by one juror's opinion. The jurors should have been assertive, stood together for what they believed in, demanded for explanations of the questions, and voiced their dissatisfaction at that point. Many artists are being exploited and will be in the future too. This has to stop.
I have faith in people and in the justice system. I believe in the goodness in each person. This is the same justice system where Michael was declared not guilty by each and every one of the jurors in the child abuse allegations court case. They had stood up for him and for the truth.
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Thanks Irina! I feel sorry for what the jurors had to go through and the turmoil that they may still be going through!
Here is a link of a website I came across of someone who claims to have been one of the jurors but I cannot say for sure if he really was as per his claims:
http://www.truth4mj.it/mj/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=350:a-juror-in-aeg-trial-joins-mjjcommunity-24-h-after-the-verdict&catid=34:articoli-verita-sulla-morte&Itemid=61
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I still feel hope for Michael's court situation and would not give up on that. Cases do reopen.
I hope Michael is ok.
I hope Joe and Katherine make video recordings telling every thing they know, the truth as they know, all the events and people, and hide nothing. For their descendants.
