I would like to quote from an initiative that would like to see the charges raised in the case The People vs. Conrad Murray to the appropriate level of Second Degree Murder. This petition also calls for additional charges.
It is possible to raise the charges at the end of the Preliminary Hearing.
Due to the emerging evidence after only 3 days of the Preliminary Hearing of The People vs Dr. Conrad Murray the call to action is becoming louder:
“Urge the District Attorney prosecuting the case to increase the charges to Murder 2. …Request that Steve Cooley, L.A. District Attorney, David Walgren, L.A. Deputy District Attorney, and the presiding Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor, elevate the charges against Murray to the more appropriate Murder 2. Given testimony to-date, it is also urged that the charges be added of: concealment of accidental death; reckless endangerment; reckless conduct; conspiracy; obstruction of justice, and any additional charges that may result from testimony in the preliminary hearing.”
The actual definition of Second Degree Murder in California that deviates a bit from the usual definition that many associate murder charges with.
The definition of Second Degree Murder in the State of California: Second-degree murder is ordinarily defined as “1) an intentional killing that is not premeditated or planned, nor committed in a reasonable “heat of passion” or 2) a killing caused by dangerous conduct and the offender’s obvious lack of concern for human life“ (http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a-z/murder_second_degree.html)
^^^ Paragraph 2 should be of obvious concern.
You can find the actual petition here. http://www.petitiononline.com/justs4MJ/petition.html
Please think about it carefully and sign if you find that the emerging evidence and your conscience demand you to do so.
Please circulate this petition if you find this resonates with you.
Thank you very much.
Edit: Sorry, I don't know what happened to the thread title, I surely did not type that, if it could be fixed, I'd be grateful. Thank you.
Last Edited by on Jan 07, 2011 10:59 AM
Hi Irina, You can fix it. Log in, delete the post and repost with correct title.
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Regards, Irina
One more thought: I believe I will need to delete my comments prior to you deleting this post in order to remove the entire post. Let me know if this is still what you would like to do.
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I am glad you found this petition Irina. I signed the petition, but was a little skeptical about putting it out there in the “public” form, so I checked the box for just the Author of the petition to see it.
I was commenting (in another post on this board) on the manslaughter charge and how the circumstances and testimony fits closer to the second degree murder definition than manslaughter. The District Attorneys that are prosecuting the case is being too conservative in their manslaughter approach.
It is an unspeakable miscarriage of justice to take a life and get four years in jail no matter how hard it is to prove. The Jackson family and the rest of the world deserves a verdict that will bring justice to Michael.
Additionally, a manslaughter verdict would promote other nuts out there to try the same thing on people they would like to wipe out. Some nuts might think 4 years was worth it. Besides the general public, we need to “send a message,” not only to other Doctors, but also to the pharmacies doling out the drugs like they were candy. We need a charge that states STRONGLY that we will not tolerate this anymore.
I am glad you found this petition and I am glad the request for the additional charges is added to the petition. If the conspiracy charges (in the additional charges) are pertaining to a connection with AEG and Sony I do think conspiracy would be very easy for the defense to get around and very hard for the prosecution to prove. That is just my thought on it. Thanks again!
I'd like to quote one of the main circulators of this petition, particularly in regards to 'conspiracy'.
"The additional charges don't affect the primary charge, of either Involuntary Manslaughter, or Murder 2. They would be called "stacked charges," as was done to Michael.
"Conspiracy" in this instance does NOT mean "conspiracy theory," at all. I just want to be clear on that. (again, for those who missed it). In this instance, it means was there involvement of another person in the events surrounding Michael's death, i.e. did MURRAY involve any other person? So that would mean, did he enlist Alberto Alvarez's help in hiding evidence? Testimony indicates that he did. And, did he call staff in Texas to remove objects from a storage locker? Phone records will show that call. And so on.
It does NOT mean "conspiracy to murder." If that was the case in terms of charges, this would be a capital murder case!
My own belief is that Murray has a far greater chance of "walking" if he's convicted of the lesser charge. I.M. can involve probation, and no jail time, at ALL."
Hope that helps to interpret 'conspiracy' correctly. They are trying to keep it relevant to this particular case against Conrad Murray.
That does NOT mean one cannot campaign for an investigating regarding the involvement of others.
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Thank you for the added information and advise IrinaH. That clears a lot up for me.
Oh yes! Involuntary Manslaughter CAN involve probation and no jail time at all. I didn't think of that aspect in significance to Michael's case. Thanks for bringing that fact up, along with the lesser charge meaning he could walk.
I was wondering if you have had training in law at all IrinaH? You seem to know a lot of useful information. Thanks again for answering my questions and the added information.
I received an email from a very concerned person about this petition. This person wants to make everyone aware of this video and I agreed to post it. It was recorded in February 2010.
Thomas Mesereau was Michael Jackson's defense attorney. He is highly qualified to comment on this. He has my respect and has no agenda other than to assist Michael if he can.
I respectfully disagree with the person that you added the video on here for.
Thomas Mesereau made this video in FEBRUARY 2010. I think if he heard/listened to the testimony WE have over the last 3 days he would agree that there are grounds to look at second (2) degree murder and to consider the additional charges in this case.
When Thomas Mesereau made this video, he was not aware of the magnitude of the evidence against Murray. None of us knew the magnitude of the cover-up and neglect. I think the evidence deserves a conviction equal to the charges.
There is in any court hearing an element of chance. However, there are many other witnesses to testify (20 to 30 witnesses) that are going to testify AGINST Conrad Murray. My common sense tells me that the evidence has to be similar to and as compelling AGAINST Murray as the witnesses that testified the last 3 days, or the prosecution would not have those witnesses scheduled to testify. The prosecution would NEVER take the chance of putting the upcomming witnesses on the stand.
I think if you ask Thomas Mesereau if the charges should be raised in the case (The People vs. Conrad Murray) to Second Degree Murder in a few days from now, he would have a totally different answer.
Additionally, it is important to realize that IrinaHale added the quote “It is possible to raise the charges at the END of the Preliminary Hearing. The Petition is only collecting signatures NOW for presentation to the District Attorney LATER. I do not believe they would turn in the petition if it was shown to be detrimental to Michael's defense. Ultimately, it is up to the District Attorneys' prosecuting the case, but there is a possibility that without a petition it would be doubtful the prosecution would look at changing the charges or adding the secondary charges.
In my opinion, the goal of the petition is to eliminate the pain and suffering that Michael’s family, children, and us fans will go through if we see Murray released in four years (or less). To quote IrinaH, Murray could plea bargain down to no time in jail.
I do feel that Thomas Mesereau's comments are still valid. It is a legal opinion that I respect. I have not heard anything in the hearing that I did not hear from the beginning.
Michael and his family have all said that Murray is a pawn. They do not consider Murray to be the only person responsible. If Murray were the only one I think you would see Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton out in force. They are all silent. None of Michael's so called friends are speaking out either. Eddie Jones seems to also have gone silent with no explanation and Geraldine Hughes has also decided to go silent as of yesterday. Eddie Jones did have a radio show when he took up the cause of justice for Michael. The last broadcast I observed was from a undisclosed location and he said his good-byes to everyone. He was completely alone. I know there are many opinions about these people among the fans, all I am saying is that they have been silenced. If is was just about Dr. Murray why would this be happening? Their silence speaks volumes to me.
Michael and his family have said follow the money. The money does not lead to Dr. Murray.
You know much more than we do about the goings on in this case so I'll take your word for it, as I trust your opinion.
Nevertheless, it may not be possible to indict Murray on second(2) degree murder, but I still say he deserves a second(2) degree Murder charge for his part in it; even if the original conspiracy started with others, or started with companies higher up on the conspiracy pole.
I was not focused on the fact that all those people (Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Eddie Jones) were not speaking out until you just wrote it. You are right! I haven't seen any of them in the news lately. They couldn't of gotten paid off because in my opinion they are not about the money. The only other possibility I can think of is that they (or their families) were threatened.
I feel it is hard to know what to do for Michael and his family without all the facts. This is good; to talk some of these things out on this board so we can form a more intelligent, effective strategy.
Let us just hope that the Judge doesn't get silenced. This is bad news.
Come to think of it, Miko Brando, Marlon Brando's son, fell off the face of the earth too.
I saw this statement from Mr. Mesereau a while back. Thank you and the person who found it for posting it. I agree with Mr.Mesereau's opinion. This is also so much bigger than Murray. I agree. It is important to remember why Michael is speaking out in this forum. You are correct Bonnie, the question is how to broaden the scope of the fans and the general public who are not aware of the bigger factors in the situation surrounding Michael.
---- Irina
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Karin, Quote from Geraldine Hughes' blog: "I never though I would see the day when true supporters would be banned from the court house. That wasn't the case in 2003, but this is 2011 and Michael Jackson is no longer here. "
Did I get this right??? Astounding. I guess the divide and conquer tactics by those needing the attention of the fans off the underlying issues of the case are working. Very sad. :((((((
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I agree this is profoundly sad. I can only hope that people will think for themselves and think thoughtfully with the best result for Michael and his children in mind.
Money has the power and they are manipulating everyone and everything! Bonnie I didn't realize that Eddie Jones wasn't around, I kept waiting to hear something from him. Someone got to them and silenced so many voices. So sad, so much corruption.
I hope Jackson fans pull together eventually. Keep the positive energy flowing...bring the truth to the light.
I was said yesterday after reading the message on her blog... Did you read today`s message? Geraldine says To know for a fact that Michael wanted to replace Murray..... She also thinks Murray left during the night.
Karin thanks for pointing us to the new post on Geraldine's blog. It makes me so sad and angry to read it.
Bonnie if you can tell us, with out betraying Michael's confidence, is this in line with the guidance you have been getting?
This statement from the paramedic frustrated me. If it is 4 hours it's 4 hours. Why does it need to be off the record? See below.
"The testimony from the paramedic proves that Michael Jackson was already dead. According to the paramedic, Michael's eyes were fully dialated, his eyes were dry, he was flatlined, had no pulse, and his hands and feet were already turning blue. The paramedic said on the stand that Michael was dead at least 20 minutes to 1 hour. However, at the scene (and off the record), he stated that Michael had been dead at least 4 hours."
Popping in very briefly today. I've read everyone's comments in this thread, so I'm up to date as far as that goes.
Jane, regarding the paramedic's comments at the scene and off the record, he may have noticed lividity patterns setting in, and we've covered that topic previously. For those who missed it, lividity sets in after a person has been dead 3 -5 hours. The original paramedic's report mentioned lividity patterns, if I recall correctly, and that will surely be taken into consideration once Murray's trial begins.
Those patterns had also been disrupted, from what I recall reading. That is significant because it suggests that Michael's body had been moved AFTER he was dead, and most likely moved from its ORIGINAL LOCATION.
Carmen thank you so much for answering my question, I was hoping they would mention the lividity now and not wait, that would prove that Michael had been gone for hours not minutes.
I remember you posting previously about Michael's body being moved, thanks for reminding me.
Geraldine is still focused on Conrad Murray. I agree that the timeline currently being discussed in the hearing makes absolutely no sense. The entire premise is outrageous and designed to put the blame on Michael.
I agree that it was probably staged but the big question is: Who is behind it all?
Michael and his family say: He was murdered Look past Conrad Murray Follow the money Sony/ATV Catalog
It is very easy to see who is currently benefiting from Michael's death.
It strikes me as very odd that TMZ keeps showing Conrad Murray out in public after the hearing is over for the day. Is no one concerned for his safety? Very strange under the circumstances. Of course this whole thing is strange.
All of the other pieces of evidence that are not related to Murray have been taken off the table.
We also know that the defense has a major issue with the fluids being mishandled.
This case reminds me a lot of the Marilyn Monroe case. Lots of confusion, people told to leave while things were staged, etc. There was even a Murray in Marilyn's case. Mrs. Murray was the housekeeper who found her. Evidence was mishandled and disappeared in this case too.
What if Geraldine is right about Murray leaving the house at night ; then somebody else could easily sneek in the house( if they knew Murray did this before,and knew that the night- security often fell asleep...)
Karin, Now you are onto something... the answer lies in the damaged security system and missing surveillance tapes that no one seems to be focusing on. All of the MSM articles that reported this originally I have not been able to locate of late.
Not to mention that the amount and combination of drugs purportedly used in this scenario would be enough to kill an elephant. How could Michael possibly have gone to rehearsals and workouts with all that paraphernalia in his repertoire.
The answer is he could not and would not. This just wreaks of the big "C" word. IMHO
Bonnie I agree we have to look beyond Murray. My question to you is, "Has Michael told you that he was left alone the night he passed? Is it true that Michael wanted another Doctor that would watch over him?" Don't want to betray Michael's confidence but wanted to know if your guidance agreed with Geraldine's statements.
Karnin and Irina, exactly where are the surveillance tapes??? Another frustration, why doesn't anyone mention them? Michael's body had lividity, why isn't that mentioned? Michael wasn't gone for minutes he was gone for hours. Where was Murray??? Who gave Michael the propofal and where are the tapes?
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I ask Michael what he remembered just before he died. He gave a different location than what is commonly known. This is why I feel so strongly that his body was moved and this whole thing is staged. There was no one with him in the vision that he showed to me. I do not know if anyone else was nearby or not. As I have stated before Michael would like for me to tour the rental house so that he can gain clarity. At this point I don't think he knows everything that happened either.
He did not say anything to me about replacing Murray. I think Geraldine is referring to people that she has spoken to and what they think or feel about the situation. If Geraldine has hard evidence she needs to present it to the DA. I have been told things by people who claim to have been there but I have no idea if the information is accurate. There was a common thread in all of their statements and that was things were not business as usual. Many said they saw him arrive at the house at the time that has now been stated publicly so I am pretty confident that they were there.
To the best of my knowledge the security system was not working and there are no tapes. This is what I have heard. What I know as fact is the owners of the rental house filed a claim against the estate to repair the security and phone systems. The media has always dismissed this as being Michael's fault. There is no way that he would break the security system. I have personally walked around the outside of the house and I saw many places were a person could gain entry without being seen. The house is right next to the street.
A lot of details are not in the scope of the hearing and charges filed against Dr. Murray. All of that evidence is quietly and conveniently being forgotten.
The public does not remotely have the whole story. I could go on forever about fake wills, etc. We have covered all of these things on this board as they unfolded.
I need to be very careful about what I say. I hope that you all understand. Michael has always been concerned for my safety. The people who came forward and talked to me expressed the same concern.
Of course none of my information is admissible in a court of law.
Thank you Bonnie, If you are feeling that I have gone too far with expressing my suspicions here I can delete it all. Please let me know. I most certainly do not want to draw the wrong kind of attention to you.
The question is how will all of the missing details come to light if no one is apparently questioning this at this juncture. My hope is that it could perhaps happen if Joe's case goes to trial.
This is going to be a long and drawn out battle.Again this only my gut feeling.
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The discrepancy I see in Geraldine's account that makes me believe that it did not happen the way she is suggesting is the frantic vial and IV collecting that went on when the security guard arrived.
If Murray had time to stage what Geraldine said he did, and Michael died way before the suggested time, (according to Murray's girlfriend, Sade Anding), then Murray would have had ample time to bag the vials and IV and would not given the prosecution ammunition to use against him (Murray) by ordering the Security Guard (Alberto Alvarez)to help him. Alberto Alvarez was not employed by Murray so Murray would have no reason to think that Alvarez would keep his confidence in court, nor did Murray ask Alvarez (according to Alvarez testamony) not to tell anyone.
My comment here isn't directed to any particular person but is rather just a general statement: The purpose of this preliminary hearing is not the equivalent of a genuine trial. It is only to establish that there is enough evidence against Conrad Murray to charge him and put him on trial for involuntary manslaughter. This is not the trial itself. From my point of view, nothing has to make sense from an overall or large scale perspective. All that is required at this point in time is for the Prosecution to show it has legal standing and the right to put Murray on trial.
What is personally interesting to me is the fact that Murray, thus far, has not suggested anyone else was guilty of injecting excessive amounts of Propofol except for Michael himself. Murray has, thus far, refused to say or suggest that "someone else must have done it," or "someone else must have entered the room when my back was turned," etc. If Murray is telling the truth when he states that he didn't give Michael anything that could have or should have killed him, then SOMEONE ELSE DID.
Trying to pin the blame on Michael seems like a strategy being used by the Defense (and the Prosecution seems to be going along with it so far) rather than admitting that MAYBE A CONSPIRACY WAS INVOLVED.*
Murray isn't 'ratting out' the other possible players, which I find interesting. For those who don't have English as their primary language, "ratting out" is an expression that means "to tell on someone" or be a "tattle tail." If I were in Murray's position and knew I was telling the truth, I would also know or have some ideas as to who exactly was involved or connected in some way to Michael's death. If Murray talks, he's a "dead man walking," as he was referred to last Tuesday by some of Michael's fans as he walked past us and entered the court room. If he says nothing, that leaves the Defense to go with the theory that Michael injected himself. That theory will no doubt be tested by medical experts once the trial begins.
I think Murray knows a lot more than he's telling the Defense, or if he HAS told the Defense what he knows, the Defense does not DARE to go in that direction.
That's my speculation at this point.
I do think that the paramedics and other witnesses will be questioned and cross examined far more extensively once Murray's actual trial begins. This is just the precursor to what's next. I don't expect everything to make sense. Some people giving testimony may also have their time lines off, which will come to light once they are cross examined.
Warmly, Carmen
Edited to Add: *My comment with the asterisk means that the Prosecution seems to be taking the same stance as the Defense: Conrad Murray or Michael Jackson is responsible - neither side has publicly acknowledged any other possibilities. I do find THAT very interesting.
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I think the way to get to the bottom of all this is to keep a rebuttal or reaction going between everyone’s theories. I feel it is important for us as a group to not "agree" with one another for the sake of acknowledgment, but to mull over the possibilities so to speak. I hope knowone gets irritated with me if you disagree with one of my theory's, but rather let me know why you disagree.
Carmen, one of your thoughts centered around the fact that Murray, thus far, has not suggested anyone else was guilty of injecting excessive amounts of Propofol except for Michael himself.
While mulling over the possibilities I am wondering if Murray realized that the Propofol would stay in Michael's body as long as it did and not dissipate rapidly. The experts where saying after Michael died that they doubted there would be enough Propofol evidence left in Michael's system to prove evidence of an overdose. I think it was a surprise to Murray also that the Corners office now has the technology and means to process the level of propofol accurately. Murray had already admitted to the detectives (and it was publicly reported) that he gave Michael a small amount of propofol (25 mg). Murray would not have been able to appear consistent if he went back on his word to say he did not inject Michael at all.
Additionally, Murray is saying he only left Michael's side to use the restroom for a few minutes, and that the security guard was the only other person in the house. Murray could have felt it farfetched to suggest someone else had a chance to inject Michael. I think Murray knew a jury would not buy that one, thus the only other person in the room that he could blame is Michael.
The more I deliberate and contemplate the possibilities leading up to Michael’s death, the more I think that it was premeditated and Murray's actions could not have been spontaneous.
I don't know if Murray himself has suggested anything, but rather his Defense team has suggested it. Murray has only claimed that he didn't give Michael anything that should have killed him. Last Tuesday, as I spoke to several MJ fans and supporters, I was told that according to the coroner's report, Michael's body was essentially flooded with Propofol - to the point that it was in his stomach and literally coming out of his eyes. I cannot comment on this as I have not read the entire coroner's report. That report will be discussed and analyzed at length once the actual trial starts.
I didn't mean to suggest that Murray would claim he NEVER gave Michael anything via IV or that he never gave Michael Propofol. He certainly avoided admitting to giving Michael Propofol during the time the paramedics were at the scene, and he avoided admitting it to hospital staff apparently. I still think he knows more than he's willing to admit, and that he's just the 'fall guy.'
Regarding the speculation about what Murray would think a jury would accept, I don't know if that really plays a part here. Murray is innocent in the eyes of the law until proven guilty. It's not up to him to prove his innocence. It's up to the Prosecution to prove his guilt. All the Defense has to do is create a REASONABLE DOUBT and Murray may not be found guilty and may walk free.
I agree that this was premeditated, but I don't believe Murray was the key person doing the planning and orchestrating. I see him as a puppet. The puppet masters remain hidden, as is usually the case, I suspect.
If Murray maintains his position in terms of what he says he gave Michael, then that leaves Michael himself or someone else responsible for the final injection. I rather doubt Michael would have been capable of doing this to himself.
If we factor in the lividity issue, then we can safely assume that Michael was dead for 3 -5 hours by the time the paramedics arrived on the scene. That would mean that if the paramedics arrived at 12:30 PM or so, Michael had been dead since 7:30 AM or as late as 9:30AM. No one is discussing this time frame and Murray's whereabouts between 7:30AM and 9:30AM. Murray has stated that he continued giving Michael various drugs to help him sleep throughout the early morning hours, and he has stated the names of the drugs and the time frames involved. That testimony is going to conflict with the paramedics official notes and report, if lividity had indeed set in, and it will conflict with their testimony, assuming they don't lie on the stand. Why would Murray give sleep aids of any kind to a dead man? Then again, why would he perform CPR on a dead man, not to mention on a bed and with one hand??? I don't think the paramedics will lie, since their verbal report and written reports are all on file and will be presented to the court as evidence.
I think Michael died between 7:30 AM and 9:30 AM, and Murray is left to cover himself and clean up the mess, so to speak. Again, I maintain he knows more than he's willing to admit, and if he leads investigators to people higher up, he'll be finished should he go to jail. If he doesn't go to jail in exchange for key pieces of information, he'll be a "dead man walking" no matter where in the world he goes. THEY will mark him for termination.
According to some of the fans who were there last Tuesday and who saw Murray walking past us down the hall way on the 9th floor, he stumbled a bit and lost his footing as a fan mumbled "dead man walking". . .
The upcoming trial will be very, very interesting. I don't care to speculate any further. Let's see who steps forward this week and what they have to say.
Edited to Add: I recall the paramedics stating in their report, or reading online, that the lividity patterns had been interrupted. The patterns were interrupted in the areas under his arms and around his ankles, and possibly in his wrists or lower legs. That means that some time after Michael died, as lividity was setting in, his body was MOVED from the ORIGINAL LOCATION WHERE HE DIED to another location - that location being his bedroom and the bed, I suspect. I also suspect it took at least TWO people to move him to another location.
Now I'm shutting up.
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I agree on your observations of your recent posts above all concerning Dr. Murray. It is obvious that he knows more than he keeps telling. And I am also sure that he fears to end up like Michael and so many others before. This fear is seen in his eyes on each photograph. But honestly - does he really have the chance to survive???? Tell it or not.... . I do not want to create horror scenarios or attract them but it is clear to all of us how they operate. To be sure that he will never speak out one word about what he knows, they might kill him none-the-less (as this is how they operate). Think of JFK please and all who died after him..... They will operate as usual whenever they think it appropriate. I really wish him to relieve himself and tell what he knows - maybe written and deposited/left for evidence somewhere some time....better now.
Despite of all of our reflections I want to stick with focussing on the whole truth to come out!!
It´s All For Love - L.O.V.E Ute
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Bonnie thank you so much for answering my questions. I understand your position and wouldn't want to put you in harms way. Sorry I put you on the spot. If you would feel like deleting I understand. I agree with Irina I would not want to draw the wrong attention to you.
Carmen thanks for all of your posting and I will take your position and wait and see what this week brings.
I need to take a deep breath and try to relax and allow things to unfold. I agree Irina I think we are in for a long ride!
You are correct Irina. Murray filed a claim against AEG for lack of payment of services rendered for Michael's care. This is important because it at least proves that Conrad Murray thought he had a contract with AEG. This substantiates what Michael told me.
Again I want to thank you ALL for doing what you are doing for Michael. I am so glad that I have found you guys. I need to say that I have a feeling that Carmen's "version" about the time and Murray being a 'dead man walking' might not be far from the truth. Actually I am not sure if he will live to see the trial...it could be too dangerous for them. Regarding the time of Michael's death I also have a feeling that it was around 9.30 am because on the first anniversary of Michael's death my watch stopped (maybe coincidently) at shortly after 9.30 am and I somehow since that day, had a strong feeling that this was maybe connected to Michael. And I still have a very weird feeling about this Thome Thome... Does anyone know where he is now?
---------- "...be alive, be free, feel consciousness, subsciousness, being GOD..." MJ
Regarding your post dated 1/9/11. You signed it "Now I'm shutting up" LOL, that's funny! Your a peach Carmen. :o)
What you have accomplished for us in terms of adding information that knowone else could of provided is nothing short of spectacular. Thank you again for your hard work and the sharing of your talent. I wonder if you would have any time to attend the upcoming trial when it starts or if that is something you won't be able to fit in. I know they don't have a date set yet, but I was just wondering if it was something on your agenda.
Additionally, I did not realize that there was a possibility that Michael was dead for 3-5 hours by the time the paramedics arrived on the scene. That makes more sense to me than what is generaly being reported (collapsed into cardiac arrest at 12:32 pm Pacific Daylight Time).
Thanks for the info.
Here is something I found interesting that was testified to today and written up in the L.A. times site. This is testomony concerning what Murray said to the detective who intaragated him after Michael's death.
I will try my best to attend at least the first and last days of Murray's trial, and perhaps one day about midway through his trial, if I can. Once his trial is scheduled, I'll know how to manage my schedule.
Thank you for your very kind words and support. :)
Regarding the comment that Michael was not found in bed but rather "inside the nearby bedroom of his personal physician Dr. Conrad Murray," that observation doesn't mean that Michael died in THAT room. In my opinion, his body was moved from the location where he originally died, after lividity set in, to Dr. Murray's bedroom. Then again, I thought I recall reading that Murray was not living with or staying with Michael but was living off the premises in another location.
I think it's the media that misrepresented or incorrectly reported the facts of where and how Michael was found, and LaToya was correcting them.
Thank you for the additional information and your thoughts.
I wanted to add (to everyone) that my name is Marlene Hoda and I just leave off the last two letters of my last name for my member name. You are welcome to call me Mar or Marlene if you like, but marleneho is fine too. Just don't call me late for supper. he-he
