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CindyM50
1 post
Nov 18, 2009
5:01 PM
Hello All,
I was encouraged to leave you all something that might help you sort out through your grief over the sudden passing of Michael Jackson.
I did know him personally,for 19 years.Yes,we even knew each other until his passing,but hadn't spoken since 2007,for various personal reasons.
Well,we met while I was working as a Ride Operator at a famous California amusement park.He was disguised as an 80 year old woman.
We stuck a conversation when he heard that I was a single mother of a (then)5 year old little girl,and things just took off from there.He,as it turned out,had many of the same interests as I did.
We were very close,and I realized he was the one true love of my life. I know it may be difficult for many of you to believe,but if you are true fans of his,you will know this to be true,considering his public personality.
In private,he was very much the same,but more open with those he trusted the most,which were not many.
He was not one who would ever,be capable of leaving his children for a year,while he recovered from drug addictions and personal health issues,so I am hoping that by starting this thread,it will help you all to realize that those,as in Cassandra,who are perpetuating his death hoax, are doing so without actually ever having known him,or how he'd actually feel about that. He would be very angry,and is.
And yes,he did have a temper. The last time we saw each other,I said to him "Baby,you have got to get a handle on that nasty temper of yours." Well, he was not one to just fly off the handle over nothing,just so you all know.He was driven to this temper by so many people out there,who he had let into his life,his home,who would eventually betray him and put him in a negative light. He never was,ever,capable of harming a child,let alone,molesting them.He was very much all man,very masculine in every way.His public persona,was one of gentleness,very much like the private personality that was Michael.
I will be posting any replies to anyone having questions that they need help in resolving.But please bare in mind,Michael always knew he could trust me with private matters,so please,keep it easy,and noninvasive,and I will help you any way I can.
But please do not buy into Cassandra or anyone else out there claiming that he is alive,and coming back next June.
It's just not true.
Carmen68
9 posts
Nov 18, 2009
6:00 PM
I don't have any questions, CindyM50. I don't know who you are, but I don't think Michael would have appreciated someone posting some of the 'personal' things you posted. Forgive me if I misjudge you, but I get the feeling you're using Bonnie's public forum and message boards to infiltrate Michael Jackson's fan base. If you're a family member of Michael's, you'd be better off coming out into the open and revealing yourself. If you're a former 'friend' of his, you may as well get in line with all the others who have been coming out out to say "Hello" to his fans.

I'm sorry. But I don't believe you, and I find your post inappropriate and rather offensive.

My apologies to you, Bonnie, if my post offends you. However, there are far too may lies and people out there pretending to have known Michael or to have had ties to him. And too many have been playing head games with his fans.

Private relationships should remain just that - PRIVATE. That means that the public is not made aware of them and is not invited to participate in them. Period.

Last Edited by on Nov 18, 2009 6:02 PM
Carmen68
10 posts
Nov 18, 2009
6:23 PM
With all due respect, Cindym50, I want to add that you might want to post your message regarding this "Cassandra" person and her implications of Michael still being alive on message boards such as IMDb, where some posters actually do believe he's in hiding and will resurface eventually. The people who read and post here, I believe, fully understand and accept Mr. Jackson's unfortunate and untimely passing.

If I have any questions regarding Michael Jackson, I can think of at least two people whom I know whom I could ask, and I wouldn't DREAM of asking anything of a highly personal or intimate nature. It's none of my business.
jmm
16 posts
Nov 18, 2009
6:27 PM
Cindym50,

I do not have any questions for you. It sounds like Michael was a special person in you life and you were blessed with knowing him personally. He must have been a wonderful friend.

I am posting this for all that visit this space, I think you will want to join in.

www.majorloveprayer.org
jmm
19 posts
Nov 18, 2009
6:57 PM
please support!

mjjmahal.wordpress.com
CindyM50
4 posts
Nov 29, 2009
12:44 AM
this is a reply to Carmen.
I did know Michael.We did have a very personal relationship that spanned 2 decades.
I never mentioned anything of a personal nature.Would never do that. In fact,while he was still here,I had only told my best friend,and a couple of my children that he and I had even ever met.
In Bonnie Vent's videos of her channelings with Michael,He even admits he did have a temper and can be quite stubborn.
To say I posted anything of a delicate nature,or very private,was not a fair assessment of my post.
I loved that man dearly and with all my heart and soul.
I found that there were so many people who truly believed Cassandra Gretchen-Sims,and that he would be back next June.I have only come here to help people who loved Michael and his music,to move on,sift through the false statements and bloggers,and to know the truth. Michael was a much better man than anyone who didn't know him personally,could be.
I have been working through my grief,which seems never-ending. When you love someone as long as I have loved Michael,you don't just let go in a couple of months and that's it. It's just not that simple.
I think that what Bonnie is doing here,is remarkable and a huge help for me and anyone who knew Michael and loved him for that man he was.The man that very few people knew even existed. I have had a few family members who are there now,and I have been trying to help Michael to find them so they can help him through a process he thought he wouldn't be going through for many years to come.
Whether someone believes me or not,is of no consequence.I am only here because Bonnie herself,asked me to post something that would help his fans through this very difficult process called grief.
His fans meant a great deal to him. So I would like to pass that on as well as some way of comforting those of you who are here for Michael. He loved you all a great deal.Appreciated the life he was able to live,minus the part of always having to go out in disguise,but the fact that he was able to use his fame in such a way as to help as many people in the world who were unable to help themselves.To help people to learn to turn things around with our planet,which our children and their children will one day inherit.
His message of love was very real.He was extremely intelligent,gentle,and loving,much as you all have come to see over the past few decades.Hold onto the memories,the music,and that will help.
So please do not reply with insults or call me a liar.I'm not a liar.Which is part of what I think got Michael's attention in the first place. It still baffles me that I had the opportunity to even meet this wonderful man,who would become someone very important to me for a very,very long time.I am grieving terribly right alongside you,so please be kind when you leave a reply
sdparanormal
316 posts
Nov 29, 2009
8:27 AM
Hi Everyone,

First let me say that I did suggest to Cindy that she post here. Those people who actually knew Michael are important to the validation of the communication and also are trying to deal with their loss.

I feel that sharing thoughts and feelings helps everyone.

I am painfully aware of the false claims being made and getting lumped in with the rest. I avoid all other messages boards as I am sure there are comments made that I would find insulting and hurtful. It is the price to be paid to assist Michael.

Not everyone coming to this message board feels the way we do. Some may be looking for more proof, some are convinced this process is not possible and other have a struggle with their religious upbringing. There is an opportunity for people to be more open spiritually and some feel they have been put on a new spiritual path due to this tragic event.

Cindy is more than welcome to continue posting here. You are too Carmen. Anger is a part of the grieving process and I can understand your anger regarding people who misrepresent themselves. Cindy would agree with you when it comes to the person that she put out the warning about.

Thx to everyone for the positive and loving thoughts to me and to each other.

Bonnie
jmm
26 posts
Nov 29, 2009
4:50 PM
Cindym50,

I think it is wonderful you are posting here and a part of our group. I am sure you can help Bonnie with validation. We all need to offer love and support to one another during this difficult time. I am sure that is what Michael would want us to do.

JMM
peterpanmjj
6 posts
Dec 05, 2009
3:55 PM
dont be cruel to cindy she is sincere and doesnt know what she is doing. its not intentional. love to all.
DLB
3 posts
Dec 05, 2009
5:48 PM
I don't even think that whether Cindy knew Michael is as important as what she said.

There are people out there stating that Michal hoaxed his death. And they all tend to blame the victim, as though Michael would plan this. No No No No is the message.


The only way any of that would be true is if Michael were truly injured in an attempt on his life. No other way. He would have to be forced into it. He never would put anyone through the pain of his loss like this just to "get away'. Again no no no. He loved expressing his art.

Let's not get caught up in who knew who, that is not the point. Michael was never selfish enough to cause pain that is it that is the point.

True there are people out there claiming to be knowing him, but Cindy didn't claim more then knowing and loving him. Shoot people who met him one time loved him. His love was unconditional, most of us never knew that kind of understanding. Eyes that looked into yours without ever looking away no matter what you said. Let people have their memories of a man who enjoyed their lives, laughed with them and never judged just hungered for the moment. Whether short or long they belong to them. Whether exaggerated or not,
those moments are snapshots of a life no longer held.

The point is, Michael would not willingly step away from his life, he loved his life, his children his art, the completion of his genius is the point of this thread. Anyone who chooses to spread the hoax that he would just walk away from his life is choosing so for their own reasons, knowing the man, Cindy is saying she knows he would not. That is all.

I realize I sound harsh and I don't mean to. I understand the frustration, shoot there is a person who posts on a different site claiming Michael married her relative. trust me I understand the frustration with these people coming out of the woodwork claiming to know Michael. But they were always there. Now they are taking advantage that he can not hear about them, that is all.

I truly understand where everyone is coming from here.

I just don't want the distance to cause the loss of the point. Michael is where he most can be right now that is all. And as much as it hurts that is all there is right now

Last Edited by on Dec 05, 2009 6:06 PM
peterpanmjj
9 posts
Dec 06, 2009
3:59 AM
Hi DBB,

You make a lot of sense to me.

I dont believe he would have stepped away from his life as you say.

I just feel sad, for myself that he didnt register in my sensibility at the time as I would have at the very least written a letter of support to him, whatever that might have done or not. It makes me very sad, that as a good kind human being that he was treated with such venom by some and delusion by others.

His legacy for me is that I will be more sensitive and immediate in my care for those in my life. Carpe diem and will seize the day.

I honour him.

love to you all.
DLB
7 posts
Dec 06, 2009
6:56 AM
Thank you,

I think that what you offer is a good comment on his legacy. The way he was treated he never would have done. The way he was treated he never retaliated. Anyone else would have said more, done more, lashed out more. Not that Michael didn't have a flash point, but that he thought twice, and then did better.
He was far more human then those that came against him. He was, and still is a part of the human spirit. Maybe that is why some people actually believe he could fake his own death. Maybe they would retaliate in some way. Maybe rather then be frustrated with them we can see the falsity of the belief, state what is true, then if they continue, well that is on them. Love those amongst us, listen to the joys in everyday experience, be human to each other, rather then superior, as though whatever we are is more important. Someone as busy and full of things to do as Michael Jackson could do it, what is our excuses. Eat dinner with the children, make the time. Little things are our gifts to his legacy.
CindyM50
5 posts
Dec 13, 2009
10:33 PM
thank you so much for those of you who understand i am not claiming anything more than having known and loved Michael for many years. It is not my intention to come here and spew anything so personal as to the nature of that friendship,or to give away anything personal that Michael would not want put into the public eye.
I had originally posted here,because Bonnie Vent herself,encouraged me to.
I also posted that Cassandra Gretchen-Sims was a fake,and because I knew Michael so well,I knew there was no way he'd ever be capable of participating in such a hoax.He loved his children greatly,and leaving them for a year,or any time,would have distressed him far too much,let alone weeks away from them.
He was the most honest person I have ever known,and to do that,would have been lying,something he really was against,considering all the lies that had been told about himself.
I hope this clears up the why of why I am here in the first place. Bonnie helps me to "hear" Michaels needs as he copes with his new reality. Whatever he tells
Bonnie from wherever he is now,I can use as a way to help this wonderful man who had such a dramatic impact on my life for over 2 decades. He helped me in so many ways,I will always be there for him on any level I can,as he always was for me.
So stick to this message board and site,as Bonnie Vent is the only one here on this planet,who really is trying to help Michael,and really is in contact with him.The words she relates,are without any doubt in my mind,Michael's himself. Thank you so much Bonnie.I look forward to getting to know you and continuing this new journey to help the most beautiful,funny man I have ever known.
jmm
40 posts
Dec 14, 2009
5:50 AM
Cindym50,

I am going nowhere and love this web site.
I knew Bonnie was talking to Michael but it is comforting to have your affirmation, someone who personally knew him. I am loving this journey. Special thanks to Bonnie and Michael.

Hey Cindy, have you checked out bonnie's spirit advocate tv? The more I listen the more I learn. It is awesome!

Love, JMM

Last Edited by on Dec 14, 2009 5:54 AM
smt
4 posts
Dec 14, 2009
11:39 AM
Hello Cindy,

WOW...it's actually really great to hear from someone who actually knew Michael. I am having a horrible time with his passing. I know I will grieve the rest of my life...he meant that much to me. You are a very lucky person to have actually known him. I know, in time, I too will have my chance to meet him. Thank you for the information you have proivded. It is comforting.

Thank you,

smt
DLB
16 posts
Dec 15, 2009
6:05 AM
I have tested as it were various mediums. Bonnie does give the more complete person. I can tell she doesn't ad lib, Not true with anyone else. It seems a part of Michael is there, but many tend to not be able to stop there, they yield to the temptation to editorialize.

I would suggest to anyone, who questions, to watch his interviews on youtube. Then it will be easier to catch what I am saying. His humor can be outright funny, but also that dry wait for it kind that hits you later when you actually are in on the joke.

I was so shocked to see anyone claiming he faked his death. Some actually went so far to as to tie his humor to it. While he enjoyed the practical joke as much as the next person. He enjoyed the wait for it moment when the person realized they were gotten.

Sound like a man who would do this to get back at the press, or prove a point??????? No way.
While he never seemed to be able to resist proving a point or that he was right. He would not could not
deliberately cause pain. I have noticed most fans are moving a way from these claims. Thank goodness

Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2010 8:49 AM
peterpanmjj
13 posts
Dec 17, 2009
8:21 AM
Hi DLB,

I agree with you about michael's humour.

There is someone on twitter who is claiming to be michael @mjj62509

not everyone is moving away from these claims..

Thanks DLB, I trust you its as if youve known him personally,
DLB
20 posts
Dec 17, 2009
4:26 PM
Thanks Peterpanmjj,
It is crazy, my 20 year old son told me he heard that, he was bothered that someone would do this in Michael's name. Michael was an honorable person, not a sneak. Whoever is doing that is preying on people's want to believe something else. I worry that if people keep playing these games someone will get hurt. And it will be some broken hearted young person.
Remember that it is written that it is better to not put oneself forward, putting oneself forward risks being pushed to the back. Rather it is better to wait and when the truth is discovered be brought forward.
These people will be pushed back. The sad thing is the people hurt by chasing these false dreams.

Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2010 8:50 AM
A
2 posts
Dec 17, 2009
6:37 PM
Hello everybody
I am new around here. I am grieving over the loss of Michael intensely. I hope to find refuge among people who love and grieve over him as well. I used to post over CB but find it necessary to move on. I hope I am welcome here.
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DLB
23 posts
Dec 18, 2009
2:03 PM
Hi Steph and Peterpanmjj,

I spoke to somebody, who spoke to somebody, you know how it goes. We are looking into the laws. If the communication on twitter is considered entertainment, there is not a lot we can do.
If the intent is to defraud then there is something if that can be proven. The put up or shut up method could be applied by those who have an account.

I keep thinking about that girl who the mother tricked on myspace.
DLB
24 posts
Dec 19, 2009
7:05 AM
Steph,
good morning my love to you as well!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with your concern. I googled this person, and saw the connection to V is for Vendetta. It is interesting that at the time the movie came out there were fans who thought the movie did relate to Michael. I am having some friends in the fan community look into that this person could be one of
the fans that took it too seriously. Of course all we would be able to do is expose them as not Michael. But if that happens to enough people who are playing this game, less people will take them seriously.
AgentM
1 post
Dec 19, 2009
7:11 AM
I'm not one DLB's people she sent to have a look. I decided to on my own. It's pretty elaborate. More than one person is doing this under more than one account. You get directed to even more accounts and web sites dedicated to this. It's quite an operation.
DLB
25 posts
Dec 19, 2009
8:00 AM
Hi AgentM we are experiencing a lot of roadblocks. I'm glad to hear other's are looking into this. One also gets sent to Youtube, and back to locked user accounts.

Please share if you find anything out. And I will as well.
AgentM
2 posts
Dec 19, 2009
2:36 PM
Best I can tell trying to catch up and figure it out is the game. There are a lot of accounts and it's very complicated. There are several web pages dedicated to this. Sometimes they question each other, including Cassandra, as being "authentic". It takes you all around over hill and yonder and you're no further into figuring it out then you were when you started. It's basically chasing ghosts. Ironic huh?
DLB
26 posts
Dec 19, 2009
3:10 PM
I noticed the questioning each other thing. There was a video of the outing with Liz Taylor and the kids, claiming that a man in character that approached Paris was Michael. Another questioning the presence of a gentleman at the Memorial and Funeral. And if you follow anything too far you either end up where you started, or off to unrelated subjects. It seems there is a confusion as to who really is in the know.
Some sites suggest Cassandra is Michael. Other's that there is no one person that is Cassandra. I find it interesting that Rebbie was asked about her and stated that the law would deal with her, and there have been no new answers from her since then.

They all give an answer as to why Michael would have committed a hoax himself, that is out of character with
Michael. Cassandra claims he left clues in This is It, I haven't seen it. They can not answer why the coroner's office would be part of a hoax. They can't answer if the family knew, but part of the procedure for every death is for a family member to identify the body. Someone can be paid to do it, but either way the family would have to know who was dead. One look at Katherine's face and they should be ashamed of themselves.

Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2009 3:15 PM
AgentM
4 posts
Dec 19, 2009
3:18 PM
I found pretty much the same thing, they are claiming Dave Dave was really MJ when he was on Larry King. Then there's places that say that's not so. A lot of questions that lead you to more questions. The accounts lead to more accounts of people who are all in contact with what seems like MJs family or friends. Someone's taken quite a bit of time with this. Janet's account is real but I see she's only answered 1 person, E'Casanova (some number after it) and she dismissed him pretty quickly. That account looks inactive. I don't know what they'll do about it. It's pretty involved. I'm not sure how many people believe it in. Some do, some don't and it's hard to tell which of these are actual people and which are in on it.

RE: TII, some places say no clues because Sony was in control of it.

Even if you wanted to you couldn't miss Paris' reaction it was played so much. So yeah. I get what you are saying.

Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2009 3:22 PM
DLB
27 posts
Dec 19, 2009
4:46 PM
I saw the Dave Dave interview when it aired, I saw Dave Dave, not anyone else. Now I have looked at it since reading some say it is Michael. I still see Dave Dave.

Yes I read the Sony controlled the editing, also AEG to deny driving him to hit. The hoax theorists are stating to run into the conspiracy to murder him
theorists.


Thanks for what you said. Paris was too precious to real, and too sad.
AgentM
5 posts
Dec 19, 2009
6:48 PM
I find the V reference very interesting. Yes, V has a big army in the end and in the end he dies never revealing himself. Of course also takes a lot of bad guys out with him. The vast army of people who appear dressed as V eventually unmask themselves as a group and the grand finale. I'm not sure how I'm supposed to look at this reference and make the leap that he's hoaxing his death and will return. Of course you could draw the inference that V didn't die that it was someone else in the subway. I do agree with the assessment of "beneath the mask is an idea, and ideas are bullet proof." fighting ideas is a very difficult thing. And the statement "he was my father, and my mother, my brother, my friend, he was you and me. He was all of us" <--- that is how a lot of people feel about MJ.

Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2009 7:12 PM
DLB
28 posts
Dec 19, 2009
7:14 PM
Right I agree with the idea's but the leap that seems to be a bit too much. Idea's are bullet proof. Michael died but caring for children did not die with him. Healing the world is needed more then ever. The media seems more intent on calling each other out then solving the pain todays issues are causing. Maybe people believe any of this because keeping Michael alive keeps the idea alive.
AgentM
6 posts
Dec 19, 2009
7:21 PM
I think you are probably right. But let me ask this. Did his caring for children really survive? It's not really the thing he's known best for. In fact it's the thing he's known least for. He didn't wave his own flag about all the things he did, the thousands of children who enjoyed Neverland at his expense often when he wasn't there. That's not something the general public knows. Only his followers. I think his gifts of love to humanity as a whole were always much greater than the gifts of music and dance. Not that I don't really appreciate what he did for music and dance as well.

BTW - I don't know how to make the leap either. V dies never revealing himself. The thousands of look a likes all unmask themselves. I'm not sure how people are taking this as a sign he's alive.

Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2009 7:30 PM
DLB
29 posts
Dec 19, 2009
7:53 PM
On fan message boards it survives. To the world as a whole I am afraid for the children. Abuse goes up as the economy get's tighter. You are right people had no idea intercity children went to Neverland monthly at his expense. Or the times he went to children's hospitals on his own time without camera's or fan fair.
His gifts were in his music, how many people know all the words. how many follow what they mean. Most just sing, push each other out of the way to see him. Not getting it. But on his fan sites people are talking about what they are doing in his name to remember. Will it last?????
AgentM
7 posts
Dec 19, 2009
8:03 PM
I hope it will last. I really do. I wonder how many children have lost out in the last six months. Not just his. But his fans follow a hoax and pay for messages that are free when they could be following his message. I get they get some healing in their grief process and you can't tell someone how to grieve. I guess I'm guilty too. I know what I've done though. When I say I got few things for Christmas don't be sad. I asked for gifts to be given to others who need them. I'm doing ok and Christmas is for the children. Don't forget your elders who might be sitting alone in a home someplace too, maybe the could use a home cooked meal or just someone to remember them. I don't want to wave my flag or preach but maybe it needs to be said aloud. Not so I can have a pat on the back, but so others might see.

Last Edited by on Dec 19, 2009 8:05 PM
DLB
30 posts
Dec 19, 2009
8:18 PM
I hope it will last too. The giving does breed a contentment and then can become a way of life. I have mixed emotions about those who pay to hear his message. Or who run to anyone who will tell them he is alive. In his life, his life his message was ignored for the presence. At least in his legacy, we can each in our own way learn the message.

Good night, it was nice meeting you.
AgentM
8 posts
Dec 20, 2009
5:39 AM
I forgot to add that Evey assumes his identity gathering the crowd for V's final farewell although no one knows he's gone. I suppose she goes on as V after that. Still, doesn't make V any less dead except maybe in the minds of people who don't know it. Could be interpreted as he lives on in a way. In spirit, an idea. So, not far off from what they are doing. (not saying I agree with it. this is simply my interpretation of it after spending more time than I really should on it)

I do find the V references interesting I must admit. The Mask, fighting the "good fight" politics and power. And of course the fact that Michael was involved in a battle over people's entrenched ideas much of his life and seems even after. Shrug. I think to much sometimes. I do wonder where they will go with it in six months time, the big "reveal" as it were.

The Obvious person behind this is Derek Clonz. Sometimes being to obvious makes people not think of you on the quest to dig deeper and unravel the complicated. I don't believe it's one person though.

It was nice meeting you as well.

Last Edited by on Dec 20, 2009 6:44 AM
jmm
44 posts
Dec 21, 2009
4:05 PM
AMEN Steph! The truth will prevail...JMM
DLB
34 posts
Dec 22, 2009
6:28 AM
Life had enough to keep us away from the people we love. There have always been people who make claims that they can not defend. They survive because perception gives them wiggle room. I have been telling anyone confused to go to youtube just watch the videos of Michael posted there. There he is.
Cassandra doesn't seem to know that guy. Sad she even got airtime.
DLB
35 posts
Dec 22, 2009
8:13 AM
People see what they want to see. I don't know anyone having an easy time accepting his death. Being that he was not close to the people making these claims, it is easier for them to see what they want to see.

The people who actually knew him are not doing this. And that is significant. Cassandra claims to be his spokesperson. But the person she speaks about is a tabloid perception built and sustained by people who did not know him. Again people who knew him are all denying any action on his part. The tabloid world created a Michael Jackson that did not exist that could not be sustained without fresh insult to his intelligence. The pattern here is the same.

Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2010 8:51 AM
DLB
40 posts
Dec 22, 2009
6:55 PM
I don't know who knew who. I am just glad she gave us the opportunity to discuss these false claims of Cassandra's. When I first read that there were rumors he faked his death I honestly did not think people took them seriously. At that time I did not know there was a name to the rumors.


Some people can give a lifetime into a moment. Some people can be so into the moment that exists that for all the rest of their lives those who know them are connected, whether they see them once a year or once a decade, the moment still lives enough to keep the connection alive.
The heart hears honesty and bares itself to receive it. One time, many times it is as real for that time as any other.
I think that could be why people believed Cassandra at all, those moments shattered. It was kind for someone who held onto her moments to make sure people know that Cassandra's is not the direction of the search.
Michael is in a place where what people believe about him can not touch him as it once did. And that is to me, what is important to know. But then I am a little weird.

Hope that helps.
DLB
42 posts
Dec 24, 2009
3:33 PM
Well from the research I did, it seems "Cassandra" if she even exists, has stopped answering posts, since Rebbie made a comment about getting the law involved.

As far as fans any fan website will show people stuck in the moment. It is a part of grief. My best friend died awhile ago. But moments from our past are as real as if we just lived them. I still laugh at our jokes, and remember our quiet times. Would I rather be there, no. Everything in my past is part of who I am now, and who I will become. Even though some knew Michael for years, some knew him for days over years, and some never actually met him, his unconditional acceptance, made people believe, to feel unconditionally loved, some for the first time ever. No matter how few days, or many days have past, we all hunger for being known and loved just 'coz. Not something human beings easily give to each other.
When we loose someone we miss them, we also miss the us that we were when we loved them.

Last Edited by on Jan 01, 2010 8:51 AM
DLB
59 posts
Dec 30, 2009
1:39 PM
I looked into it and found that it is considered entertainment. Unless the estate get's involved all we can do is prove it is not Michael.


Which it is not.
AgentM
9 posts
Dec 30, 2009
3:16 PM
DLB the estate might find it more interesting than you think. Everyone might. Your friends didn't follow it to far I can tell or you'd know what I'm talking about. I'll elaborate shortly.

Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2009 3:17 PM
DLB
62 posts
Dec 30, 2009
3:37 PM
Well, I am kind of hinting without saying too much. about the estate.

Because my friends gave me that much but no more. Don't worry about it I got it, has never been an answer I like. So elaborate please. If you can. If you can't you are not the only one. Remember my friends were trying to find out who this is, more then just an IP address. We think we know of a couple people who could be doing this. But no one has verified anything for me. Just quiet, which I hope means the estate is taking more of an active hand then I have heard. I did hear that there has been some moving around. Not as sophisticated as on TV.
Dawn

Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2009 3:40 PM
AgentM
10 posts
Dec 30, 2009
3:54 PM
You are on the right track. I have what could be considered verification on at least one of the names I have but want to be absolutely sure. It's not something I'd lob out there lightly. Need to make a call or two before I say. I figure it might be Monday before I can. I think if it's true or untrue they will find this interesting. Moving around yes. Active hand from the estate I'm unsure. I intend to make sure they get this info though. I will find a way.

Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2009 4:03 PM
AgentM
12 posts
Dec 30, 2009
4:58 PM
If someone here really does know the family I can assure you this will be a mesg you will not want to deliver. I will be risking making a fool of myself making some calls. I figure everyone on vaca until Monday though.

Last Edited by on Dec 30, 2009 5:30 PM
DLB
65 posts
Dec 30, 2009
5:16 PM
Good luck, I know it is weird trying to ask the right question, watch for the reaction, and then back up for the defense. If I had come up with more I would help you, I promise.

Dawn
DLB
67 posts
Dec 31, 2009
1:11 PM
I was reading one of my old Greek mythology books, and totally feel like my brain has been off.
Cassandra is the seer who foresaw the destruction of Troy, though no one believed her.
So I looked up Gretchen on Google, Gretchen is from Faust. The misled and betrayed woman that is condemned for killing her baby and saved in the end, as she rejects Faust and Mephistopheles.
Simms are not real people. Just an anecdote.

Someone on twitter who calls herself enlightened lady has made a request to celebrity verified to check out mjj62509 stating she knew Michael and knows that is not Michael. Don't know why she'd have to say she knew him when they seem to verify on request. They have a waiting list so it may be awhile, but my "sources" tell me that this is one account that will for sure without a doubt not be verified. ;) This guy, or group of people will just end up being a bunch of posers, pretty mean spirited ones but posers none the less.
Peace and love tonight to all who enter here.
Dawn
AgentM
13 posts
Dec 31, 2009
3:57 PM
DLB --(nods) on both.
DLB
69 posts
Dec 31, 2009
4:28 PM
AgentM It's one "twit" at a time isn't it.

I like mind puzzles, not so fond on jigsaw, like to bang till they fit ;)

But I love the results of when it is done right.

This felt like a jigsaw till today, now I'm getting that I'm on it feeling from a good mind quest.

Dawn
AgentM
14 posts
Dec 31, 2009
4:41 PM
HAHAHAHAHAAA!! "twit" and I NEEDED a good laugh about now. JEEZZ is that ever the truth, in more ways than one.

I'm in complete agreement with you DLB. Puzzles and mind quests. To be honest it's an annoying game, probably on purpose. Pretty sure I know why. Go here, go there, now look over there while I hide over here. Who plays that kind of game and I'll give you a clue; the answer isn't Michael. I'm sure you knew that already though....

Last Edited by on Dec 31, 2009 6:21 PM
DLB
70 posts
Dec 31, 2009
7:57 PM
Deflection and confusion, keeps the game going.
Yeah not Michael that's a good name for this.

Whose doing this " Not Michael"
Whose Cassandra " Not Michael"
Whose V " Not Michael"
Whose Mjj62509 " Not Michael".
Whose married to that girls cousin " Not Michael."
Signed
" Not Michael"


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